[過去ﾛｸﾞ] Let's talk with Jim-san. Part2 (837ﾚｽ)
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59(1): koro ◆8j1enTAicY 2006/07/28(金) 11:29:18 ID:1aO+fqpW(1/2)調 AAS
Dear JIM-san.
Less than 21 years old
↓
Less than 18 years old
It is a question about a change of JIM-san.
When it is California state law with the server of BBSPINK, less than 21 years old is a prohibition.
JIM-san ignores a server place of BBSPINK and does not become a problem?
If JIM-san does not have a problem, we want to unify it by prohibition under 18 years old.
（ in Japanese ）
21歳未満を18歳未満にして、BBSPINKのサーバーがあるカリフォルニア州法には問題がないか。
JIMさんに問題がなければ、18歳未満禁止で統一したいと考えます。って意味ですが。通じますかね。。。
60(2): 2006/07/28(金) 11:36:36 ID:MdjlA1hd(1)調 AAS
>>59
それは前ｽﾚでむむむさんが聞いて、
2chｽﾚ:erobbs
その上で「その答えは18です」ってお答えがありませんでしたっけ？
2chｽﾚ:erobbs
「出会い」に関するJimさんの考えはどうなんだろう？
セフレ、恋人、メル友募集などは2chでは禁止されていたけれども。
また、ひろゆき@2ch管理人は、出会い系は売買春の温床になりかねないので、BBSPINKがそれらを容認するようなら、2chからのリンクを外すと言われて居るようですが、これらはJimさんには伝わってるのかな？
61(1): koro ◆8j1enTAicY 2006/07/28(金) 11:52:12 ID:1aO+fqpW(2/2)調 AAS
>>60
（ in Japanese ）
そうなんですが
2chｽﾚ:erobbs で示した先のレス
2chｽﾚ:erobbs のレス内容について
79さんは「そうね。Jimが変えて、Jimが責任をとるんだから、それでいいんじゃない？」と仰っているので。
今回まほらさんからも疑問を受けたので聞いてみました。
2chｽﾚ:erobbs
とりあえず落ちます。
62: 2006/07/28(金) 12:45:05 ID:+XsRiDjW(1)調 AAS
Japanese only
>>61
管理人が責任取るなら何も問題いらないでしょ。
topの英語文章変えたのjimさん本人だし。
koroさんは「１８歳の高校生がbbspinkを利用してもjimは問題ないと思っているか？」と聞くべきじゃないかな。
>>60
それの問題点は何かを説明しないと判断できないと思う。
jimは掲示板の外においての活動を主目的とするために募集や勧誘を書き込むのをどう思うか聞いてみてはどうでしょうか？
63: ◆79EROOYuCc 2006/07/28(金) 14:37:01 ID:zMvyrIeZ(1/3)調 AAS
Dear Jim,
Do you think it is ok for high school students can come to BBSPINK?
the wording ''over 18 years old'' includes high school students sometimes.
64(1): ◆79EROOYuCc 2006/07/28(金) 14:38:47 ID:zMvyrIeZ(2/3)調 AAS
Do you think it is ok for high school students to come to BBSPINK?
sorry
65(2): Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys 2006/07/28(金) 14:42:44 ID:S+juRcbg(1/4)調 AAS
The age is 18 that is the legal age. It has nothing to do with what people do during the day.
66: Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys 2006/07/28(金) 14:43:54 ID:S+juRcbg(2/4)調 AAS
I agree with prohibition for under 18 nobody under the age of 18 is allowed.
67: ◆79EROOYuCc 2006/07/28(金) 14:51:37 ID:zMvyrIeZ(3/3)調 AAS
I get it, thank you.
one more question,
we are now discustting bbspink guideline on the following thread.
2chｽﾚ:erobbs
we'd like to make a brief line, a kind of draft guide line based on 2ch gilde line.
Do you mind our discustting about that, and we'd like to show you that translation later.
and you can change whatever if you do not like that.
is that ok or not?
68(9): Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys 2006/07/28(金) 14:52:35 ID:S+juRcbg(3/4)調 AAS
volunteer update
◆IRAIaaV18I
◆DQN/9/VVV.
◆uRW6KoTaRo
◆IZUMI162i6
◆sacrifyqG
◆79EROOYuCc
koro ◆8j1enTAicY
◆MOMOwomoIk
◆MARY/2Kkkc.
ありす ◆Alice7XIII
◆3X1b8VAs/E
◆yzY8OufLJI
◆TECHCS.zfQ
イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U
Any complaints about the volunteers they must be made here, or on the next thread.
I am now taking nominations for leader.
1st nomination is Toro-san who has requested this job several times. It will be one your
Office, and resigning is not allowed, except for unable to do the job because of sickness.
Are there any other nominations?
I will not be able to be online for 72 hours, so lets make a deadline of Monday July 31
for nominations.
After nominations we will have a vote and multiple post bbspink one time to let people know of the vote.
69: 2006/07/28(金) 15:08:05 ID:NmxDQTa/(1)調 AAS
Jim-san
Please sleep early. 〜♪
70: Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys 2006/07/28(金) 15:14:27 ID:S+juRcbg(4/4)調 AAS
I am going to sleep now, but I am very happy with my idea in >>68
Then deleters that want to be the leader can campaign all week-end.
Oyasumi nasai
71: ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/28(金) 15:24:44 ID:yapYUSkg(3/3)調 AAS
Have a nice weekend, Jim-san.
72: Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI 2006/07/28(金) 15:35:05 ID:b+w3jUGf(1/3)調 BE AAS
>>68
> Toro-san
should be "TORU-san".
His handle name in Japanese is "トオル", so,
it may fit to "Tooru-san", but he calls himself as "TORU", as you've seen before.
So, I think you should use "TORU-san" as his name.
73(1): Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI 2006/07/28(金) 15:52:44 ID:b+w3jUGf(2/3)調 BE AAS
Jim-san,
>>65
Hmm... some Japanese law clearly separated that whether the target person is
high-school student or not. For example, "Enjo-Kosai" issue.
So, we need very careful operation about the issue.
So, I think this issue must be reviewed by someone of Japanese lawyer.
Fortunately, a famous Japanese lawyer, Kazuo Makino and Hiroyuki co-published
the book about copyright matters in 2ch:
外部ﾘﾝｸ:www.amazon.co.jp
So, Jim-san, Hiroyuki may introduce Makino-san to you.
I strongly recommend you make a request vir email that
Hiroyuki introduces you to Makino-san.
Hiroyuki is one of our best friend, of course.
So, I think he will make a cooperation for bbspink.
-- Mumumu
74: 2006/07/28(金) 16:01:46 ID:jctAYhiO(1/2)調 AAS
>>68
JIM-san
"Toro" is a raw meat, and it is fatty.
The tuna that has gotten on on the sushi is famous.
画像ﾘﾝｸ
75: 2006/07/28(金) 16:18:03 ID:jctAYhiO(2/2)調 AAS
Tuna's fat appears in front of you when you order "Toro" in the sushi parlor.
76: 2006/07/28(金) 16:40:36 ID:VjFv9jEg(1/3)調 AAS
ふむふむ。Jimはおｋと思っているけど、日本国内では高校生か否かは
注意を要する問題だから、日本国内の弁護士と相談しれってことなのぬ。
ってスレ違いだなｗｗｗｽﾏｿです！姐さん。しばらく吊ってきますｗｗｗ
､ ∩
( ^∀^)彡 貧弱たん！貧弱塾の技！
⊂彡
77(1): 2006/07/28(金) 16:46:44 ID:VjFv9jEg(2/3)調 AAS
Oh! Excuse me!
I wrote a message for another board. I'm really sorry.
Would you mind to ignore message #76?
78(1): Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI 2006/07/28(金) 17:05:04 ID:b+w3jUGf(3/3)調 BE AAS
>>77
"Would you mind ..." style sometimes sticks to formalities, I think,
like "Would you mind if I smoke?".
Jim-san is very frank and nice guy,
so, I recommend you use "Please ignore my message #76." simply.
79: 2006/07/28(金) 17:10:31 ID:VjFv9jEg(3/3)調 AAS
>>78
Thank you for your kind advice.
80(1): ◆YassyNGhTM 2006/07/28(金) 17:33:40 ID:MwzsTDZ6(1)調 AAS
To: Jim-san
Please let me do the volunteer.
81: Techcs ◆TECHCS.zfQ 2006/07/28(金) 17:45:27 ID:/b/QPCM/(1)調 AAS
To Jim-san
It increases making use of the translation software. If there is an impoliteness because of that, please pardon.
I am the lesbian person.Jim-san knows, is glad when there is understanding in the homosexual love and the lesbian love, very.
I thought that we would like to participate in the volunteer, by informing that.
I think that in the future, we would like to cooperate as much as possible in you.
Thank you.
Have a nice weekend,
Jimさんへ
翻訳ソフトを利用してますので失礼があれば容赦下さい。
私は同性愛者です。Jimさんは同性愛に理解のあると知り、とても嬉しく思います。
私はそれを知った事によってボランティアに参加したいと思いました。
今後も出来る限りの協力をしたいと思います。有り難うございました。
どうぞ良い週末をお過ごし下さい。
82(1): ◆IG7FqGWJqU 2006/07/28(金) 20:50:23 ID:orc+1+Hz(1)調 AAS
Jim-san,I'm sorry,I cannot write English well.
I want to become a volunteer of BBIPINK Deletor.(Not Leader)
I send an email to TORU-san, and it is conveyed the intention.
If you are interested what kind of person I am,
please try to ask TORU-san. He will judge whether I am suitable for Deletor.
I think
TORU is most suitable as a leader till the system
which we make operates smoothly.
When the system operate smoothly,then another people will be the leader.
TORU is too busy to stay at the position.
83(2): エボラ ◆172VC7723I 2006/07/28(金) 20:55:00 ID:BD6HfJjq(1)調 AAS
Dear Jim-san.
I want to apply for a volunteer, too.
Thanks.
84: 2006/07/28(金) 21:00:23 ID:tEwKSqJX(1)調 AAS
>>83's another handle-name is “オカン”, means 'mom' or 'mommy'.
85(1): ◆NerINe83fk 2006/07/28(金) 21:45:16 ID:j9OnZ9rN(1)調 AAS
jim-san,
hajimemashite.
(Do you know?
It is a meaning of "Nice to meet you" in English.
in Japanese はじめまして )
I somewhat understand English. However, it is not good writing English.
I am sorry,if there is an impoliteness.
I was participating in the discussion about bbspink as "the anonymous coward".
And I'm 2channel's volunteer. It is of course 18 years old or more.
First of all, I want to tell the administrator of BBPINK my intention.
Could you make me help BBSPINK?
I would like to become a BBSPINK's volunteer.
I will email to TORU-san later.
To apply for 2chｽﾚ:erobbs .
(Sorry,I don't have ability to translate ↑ into English)
86: 2006/07/28(金) 23:16:58 ID:E+CrVaiv(1)調 AAS
Shinobu-san, check your E-Mail Box(means 'del@…', not 'shinobu@…'), please.
87: 2006/07/28(金) 23:32:38 ID:yv74h0xc(1)調 BE AAS
>>68の日本語置いときますね。
2chｽﾚ:erobbs
88(1): 龍 ◆0RbUzIT0To 2006/07/28(金) 23:55:10 ID:gZKSLZIj(1)調 AAS
Nice to meet you the Jim-san.
My name is 龍◆0RbUzIT0To
I like this bulletin board very much.
I want to be useful for Jim-san.
Chore Translation Deletion and so on
Please let the volunteer participate by all means
Thanks
89: 2006/07/29(土) 00:08:55 ID:00Z37q6V(1)調 AAS
>>68
not Volunteer?????
What is remuneration?
Remuneration is required if it is job.
90: ありす ◆Alice7XIII 2006/07/29(土) 01:19:17 ID:XncDslZr(1)調 AAS
>>68
I recommend IZUMI_san almost as same as TORU_san.
He has a sense of responsibility, too, and English is a story and wisdom, too.
He resigned a deletion person of 2ch to become a deletion person of BBSPINK.
I think that IZUMI_san is suitable.
TORU_san is powerful for a BBSPINK start; think that support it.
91(1): ◆IZUMI162i6 2006/07/29(土) 01:40:05 ID:5gHtpFVV(1/2)調 BE AAS
>>68
All volunteers cooperate in you for oneself.
They have own life.
They cooperate in you within the possible range.
If the resignation is not allowed, you might lose them.
They are here for the communications place.
They are volunteer to not you but users.
Your volunteer is the means for it.
So, they want to be avoiding own load.
92(1): ◆ZFz/q7JaS6 ＠TORU ★ 2006/07/29(土) 01:46:47 ID:??? AAS
>>68 Jim-san
I don't receive in its condition.
I want to make something for bbspink.
But, I don't have a mind that it is OFFICE.
93: ◆IZUMI162i6 2006/07/29(土) 01:52:27 ID:5gHtpFVV(2/2)調 BE AAS
If you hope for maintenance by volunteers like 2ch, you should consider for volunteers.
I think that I decrease the load by nominating more leaders.
You need not prohibit resigning.
Even if someone resigns, you only have to adopt it newly.
And, This plan will make the time that you adopt any leaders.
94: 2006/07/29(土) 02:13:49 ID:6WUE9iCQ(1)調 AAS
リーダーさんは病気以外の理由で辞めることは許されないんだね。
給料も何も出さないのにどうしてそこまで偉そうにできるんだか。
95: Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI 2006/07/29(土) 02:54:20 ID:BFM1+ec9(1/2)調 BE AAS
>>68
> I am now taking nominations for leader.
> 1st nomination is Toro-san who has requested this job several times. It will be one your
> Office, and resigning is not allowed, except for unable to do the job because of sickness.
Jim-san,
I think you have to explain the reason why leader is one your office,
and resigning is not allowed.
I think it is very important point of your administration policy.
So, it is time to use following thread for publishing your point of view
with your cap.
■ Jim's thinking (part 1)
2chｽﾚ:erobbs
96(2): 2006/07/29(土) 14:23:05 ID:dFafB66Y(1)調 AAS
Jim-san,
Do you think that the volunteer has the obligation?
Moreover, will it assume the responsibility to volunteer?
Are there differences in leader's condition and volunteer's condition?
2channel's volunteer has neither obligation nor responsibility.
They help so that the user may use the bulletin board comfortably.
Do you intend to change this stance?
97(1): 2006/07/29(土) 21:15:15 ID:P+lLSvnE(1)調 AAS
tubo kara kimasuta !
98(1): 2006/07/29(土) 21:18:30 ID:7mvesWlX(1)調 AAS
translation of >>97:
"I came from tubo(famous 2ch browser)!"
99: 2006/07/29(土) 21:22:05 ID:WVvqwgeS(1/2)調 AAS
This is a pen
100: kim 2006/07/29(土) 21:25:16 ID:xUMEAlk8(1/6)調 AAS
I'm kim chan.
101: 2006/07/29(土) 21:28:35 ID:OzVWsl3i(1/5)調 AAS
これはひどい
Too bad.....
102: kim 2006/07/29(土) 21:29:55 ID:xUMEAlk8(2/6)調 AAS
I am a leader
103: 2006/07/29(土) 21:30:37 ID:OzVWsl3i(2/5)調 AAS
I like Pink Bbs !
104: Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI 2006/07/29(土) 21:31:14 ID:BFM1+ec9(2/2)調 BE AAS
>>98 would be:
"Just I'm coming from Tubo (it is one of famous 2ch browsers)!"
105: 2006/07/29(土) 21:32:35 ID:rg0sGBoZ(1)調 AAS
It's no famous !
106: 2006/07/29(土) 21:32:42 ID:OzVWsl3i(3/5)調 AAS
I like here!
I love here!
107: kim 2006/07/29(土) 21:33:45 ID:xUMEAlk8(3/6)調 AAS
I seem to be me
108: kim 2006/07/29(土) 21:34:19 ID:xUMEAlk8(4/6)調 AAS
You seem to be you
109(1): 2006/07/29(土) 21:34:47 ID:OzVWsl3i(4/5)調 AAS
Oh...
I don't know TUBO.
What is this?
110: kim 2006/07/29(土) 21:36:08 ID:xUMEAlk8(5/6)調 AAS
I like a Japan
111(1): 2006/07/29(土) 21:42:38 ID:OzVWsl3i(5/5)調 AAS
How do you say TUBO in English ?
By the way,
Do you think I an ARASHI?
112: 2006/07/29(土) 21:44:12 ID:i1ijFJAZ(1)調 AAS
I'm 駄馬, ﾊﾟｶﾗｯ ﾊﾟｶﾗｯ
113: kim 2006/07/29(土) 21:46:51 ID:xUMEAlk8(6/6)調 AAS
How do you eat kimchi?
114(1): 2006/07/29(土) 21:48:34 ID:WVvqwgeS(2/2)調 AAS
My Neme is Dabinoji
Karakuri Masuter ok？
115: 2006/07/29(土) 23:15:50 ID:Tct2Gnnk(1)調 AAS
>>114 is one of the characters of the cartoon"GUN-doh MUSASHI".
the very cool JapanIMation by MONKEY PUNCH
116(1): halc/cyan ◆duswpnLeMU 2006/07/30(日) 00:11:02 ID:WPDCeWDM(1)調 AAS
Hello Mr. Jim.
I am "cyan", deletion person on 2channnel.
And I was doing deletion on bbspink as same as.
I'd like to join bbspink's volunteer also future.
May I have those work?
117: 2006/07/30(日) 00:55:01 ID:w51oQHIT(1)調 AAS
I love you,Mr.Jim.
118: 2006/07/30(日) 04:56:36 ID:BJ/vM7hg(1)調 AAS
The same method as 2ch will be impossible.
It is desirable to pay a countervalue and to employ the staff of exclusive use.
119: ◆IZUMI162i6 2006/07/30(日) 11:19:39 ID:H0sTRxna(1/8)調 BE AAS
Jim-san,
Please understand the volunteer system of 2ch at 1st.
* The deletion system of 2ch is not perfect.
* The deletion system of 2ch needs a lot of volunteer.
* The participation reason for the volunteer of 2ch has only their own motivation.
120(1): ◆IZUMI162i6 2006/07/30(日) 11:33:09 ID:H0sTRxna(2/8)調 BE AAS
To keep the scale, you should defend them from the risks.
I think that the following concepts are necessary to defend them.
What is Deleter?
Deleter can delete only for user's convenience.
Deleter cannot do the deletion that makes the infringement of right and the law, etc. grounds.
Only Mr. Jim can judge it.
Deleter is a user.
Only the deletion as the user is admitted in Deleter.
Deleter cannot take part in the site management and the policy as the organization.
>>◆79EROOYuCc
Please correct the difference of the delicate nuance.
121: ◆IZUMI162i6 2006/07/30(日) 11:49:06 ID:H0sTRxna(3/8)調 BE AAS
If I cannot defend them, I cannot consign the deletion to them.
So, I cannot become a leader until Jim-san understands my concepts.
122(1): ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/30(日) 14:33:34 ID:Cwh6Szby(1/4)調 AAS
>>120
>>Deleter cannot do the deletion that makes the infringement of right and the law.
You seem like SAMURAI, and cool! however,
I do not understand your intension.
Could you give me a reason and an example?
123(1): ◆IZUMI162i6 2006/07/30(日) 15:17:53 ID:H0sTRxna(4/8)調 BE AAS
>>122
2ch has Hiroyuki-san. But, BBSPINK doesn't have the person in charge in Japan.
Deleter comes to have to delete the malfeasance and the violation if there is no limitation.
When Deleter was not able to be deleted, this will become a legal risk.
Deleter is not a specialist of the law.
To avoid the risk even if message is the justifiable criticism, Deleter must delete it.
Please understand the lawsuit risk of Deleter is larger than that of Mr. Jim in Japan.
Please hire professionals if you request the interpretation of the law to Deleter.
If Mr. Jim requests it to the any volunteers, I cannot agree.
124: ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/30(日) 16:03:22 ID:Cwh6Szby(2/4)調 AAS
>>123
>>Deleter cannot do the deletion that makes the infringement of right and the law.
So, your meaning is that a deleter does not need to follow the law when he/she judges a deletion, but he/she must follow only a deletion policy.
The reason is because he/she is not a professional lawyer, and he/she has a legal risk since Jim is not in Japan.
Is this your intention?
What kind of a legal risk we have?
Could you give me an example?
125(1): ◆yzY8OufLJI 2006/07/30(日) 17:02:45 ID:lwOJyOIw(1)調 AAS
>◆IZUMI162i6
>◆MARY/2Kkkc
Please look at two Res of >>65 and >>73.
I think that the grinding match of the aspect as the American of Mr. jim and
the Japanese by the user and the aspect is necessary for the guideline and
knowing BBSPINK.
And, I think that the guideline should receive the examination by the specialist as
Mr. MUMUMU is proposing it.
How about this proposal?
（in Japanese）
お二人さん。
>>65と>>73の２つのレスを見て下さい。
私は、BBSPINKのガイドライン、および心得はjimさんのアメリカ人としての視点と
ユーザによる日本人と視点の摺り合わせが必要と思います。
そして、MUMUMUさんが提案している通り、そのガイドラインは専門家による審査を
受ける必要があると思います。
この提案は如何でしょうか？
126: ◆uRW6KoTaRo 2006/07/30(日) 17:13:02 ID:xCdAaSRA(1/2)調 AAS
Let's talk with Mr.Jim here.
Let's talk without Mr.Jim there.
127(2): ◆IZUMI162i6 2006/07/30(日) 17:21:04 ID:H0sTRxna(5/8)調 BE AAS
> So, your meaning is that a deleter does not need to follow the law
> when he/she judges a deletion
No. I think Deleter must not follow the law.
All Japanese have to correspond to the infringement of right if it is possible.
If Deleter can do a legal judgment as the site, Deleter will not be able to escape the obligation.
Example
*****************************************************************
Dear BBSPINK,
This is IZUMI from IZUMI Corp in Japan.
Delete the following messages.
2chｽﾚ:erobbs
2chｽﾚ:erobbs
Your site damages our honor. delete it immediately.
Best regards,
*****************************************************************
The message might be a justifiable criticism.
However, you are hesitating in whether it is a justifiable criticism or an infringement of right.
Can you judge "Do not delete it" for this request?
And, can you say to other Deleter, "Please have the danger"?
128(1): ◆uRW6KoTaRo 2006/07/30(日) 17:39:05 ID:xCdAaSRA(2/2)調 AAS
The legal risk may cause illegal risk.
For example,violence,intimidation,extortion and so on.
129: 2006/07/30(日) 18:25:41 ID:qBjw+O7q(1/3)調 AAS
For instance,he/she refuses the deletion of >>127
RE:IZUMI of IZUMI;co
｢I claimed "you" should delete. The reason is a violation of the law.
However, the deletion was refused. I want to pursue this responsibility. ｣
at this time
D:｢i do not have a knowledge of law. And i am not a lawyer.
Therefore, i am not being given the authority to do a legal judgment by the owner.
Only the owner has this power.
It is clearly shown in 2ch板:xxx｣
I think that he/she should be able to insist like this.
130(1): ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/30(日) 18:28:21 ID:Cwh6Szby(3/4)調 AAS
>>125
I am not sure about it, but I do not think it is a big problem,
because I could find many web site in Japan says only "not to enter under 18 years old".
>>127
Thank you for your explanation and an example.
I still do not understand this part why is it?
"If Deleter can do a legal judgment as the site, Deleter will not be able to escape the obligation."
>The message might be a justifiable criticism.
>However, you are hesitating in whether it is a justifiable criticism or an infringement of right.
>Can you judge "Do not delete it" for this request?
>And, can you say to other Deleter, "Please have the danger"?
If the deleter is not sure, then he/she can ask a leader.
If the leader is not sure, then he/she can ask Jim.
If Jim does not delete it, then Jim gets a plaint.
The volunteer has no legal risk, here.
>>128
Very good point, Kotaro-san.
To avoid both the legal risk and illegal risk,
I suggest one volunteer obligation.
* An official volunteer must keep secret on the public about his/her contact address.
Otherwise, Jim can not prevent from someone sending a volunteer a plaint.
131(1): ◆IZUMI162i6 2006/07/30(日) 20:21:25 ID:H0sTRxna(6/8)調 BE AAS
>>130
If deleter can stop the infringement of right as the Japanese people.
Hesitating might be no problem.
If Deleter judges, "I leave this message", the risk is generated.
So, Deleter will be not able to do the judgment that leaves the message.
Therefore, I ask you again.
Can you judge "Do not delete it" for this request?
And, can you say to other Deleter, "Please have the danger"?
132(1): 2006/07/30(日) 20:37:40 ID:H0sTRxna(7/8)調 BE AAS
なんか文が切れてるぞ。
The law demands to stop the infringement of right.
If deleter can stop the infringement of right as the Japanese people.
133: ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/30(日) 21:54:19 ID:Cwh6Szby(4/4)調 AAS
>>131-132
Now, finally, I think I got your intention.
I was impressed for your consideration.
So, you think a risk is generated when a deleter recognizes a writing has a violation.
I think that a risk is not generated yet, when a deleter find a writing and he does not recognizes a violation, even if it has a violation.
So, he has to delete when he is sure about a violation, but he can leave it when he is not sure.
>Can you judge "Do not delete it" for this request?
Yes, I can leave a posting, when I do not recognize it has a violation.
>And, can you say to other Deleter, "Please have the danger"?
No, I cannot say it.
I allow them to delete anytime when they recognize a violation.
134(4): ◆uRW6KoTaRo 2006/07/30(日) 22:57:12 ID:K29cIdod(1)調 AAS
MARYさんは日本語できない人なの？
IZUMIさんは英語では細かいニュアンスが伝えられないようなので、
日本語できる人相手に英語で議論するのは全く無駄な事です。
IZUMIさんは他スレに日本語で色々細かい所も書いているので、
MARYさんはそれを読んでみて、必要があれば日本語で議論してみて、
その結果を、Jimさん向けにここに英語で書けばいいと思います。
135(1): 2006/07/30(日) 23:32:31 ID:qBjw+O7q(2/3)調 AAS
>>134
They(we) might be better speak in English as in detail as possible.
I think that JIM should be able to trace the discussion later.
of course,the discussion have to be done by using Japanese in another place,too.
136: 2006/07/30(日) 23:35:48 ID:qBjw+O7q(3/3)調 AAS
>>134
あ、申し訳ない。
>>135は誤読して書いてしまった･･･。
すみません。
>>134
i think so too.
137(1): ◆IZUMI162i6 2006/07/30(日) 23:45:02 ID:H0sTRxna(8/8)調 BE AAS
>>134
あぁ、なるほど。さんくです。そういやそうですね。
いや、なんかこういう議論とか経緯とかも見せることでJimさんに
現状の問題とかふいんきとかを掴んでもらう作戦なのかなとか思ってますたが
自分がそんなん書いても微妙極まりなく・・・。
138: ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/31(月) 00:27:21 ID:qZWZpCUB(1/8)調 AAS
>>134
Jim-san must know our personality to build trust, not only understanding each idea.
The conversation above helps Jim-san to understand IZUMI-san's personality, including his deep consideration, strong patient, maturely.
I think it is more valuable than we talk without Jim-san's eyes.
It was a reason I used this sled.
I close this conversation, although I am sorry before seeing his flexibility.
I believe he has it.
>>137
Thank you for your conversation. I touched your mind and I enjoyed it, today.
139(1): 2006/07/31(月) 01:41:53 ID:AhaSbDiA(1)調 AAS
日本語と英語両方で書いてくれると、細かいニュアンスも伝わって、誤訳があれば指摘してもらえて、Jimさんにも話の流れが伝わって、いいと思うが。
140: 2006/07/31(月) 02:10:24 ID:EyEureBX(1)調 AAS
>>139 says:
For Japanese speakers who post comments only with English:
I think it would be better to post comment with both Japanese and English.
Japanese people would be able to feel fine nuance from original text, and
if there are mistakes in translated text, people could figure out it and can correct it.
Of course, English-translated text could help Jim-sam to understand course of
story.
141: 2006/07/31(月) 02:47:29 ID:t2Q17nWZ(1)調 AAS
PINKの削除依頼板＆削除心得。。。2
2chｽﾚ:erobbs から以降、責任問題について深く議論中
誰かＪＩＭ氏用に訳してくれまいか？
142: 2006/07/31(月) 08:06:41 ID:fhlWFsZO(1)調 AAS
ちゃろ ★とか桃色吐息 ★が、自分達の判断で★発行したり、板止めたり、設定変更してるから、リーダーは彼等のどちらかみたいだよ。
143: Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys 2006/07/31(月) 12:59:06 ID:laeG3rQ4(1/7)調 AAS
I am back, what a long strange trip it has been. I would have been online yesterday
but I was caught up in a flood in the Philippines. Let me read what has happened now
and then I will start answering people.
144: ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/31(月) 13:26:21 ID:qZWZpCUB(2/8)調 AAS
Following people are offering to become volunteers.
◆YassyNGhTM (>>80)
◆IG7FqGWJqU (>>82)
エボラ ◆172VC7723I (>>83)
◆NerINe83fk (>>85)
龍 ◆0RbUzIT0To (>>88)
halc/cyan ◆duswpnLeMU (>>116)
145(1): Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys 2006/07/31(月) 13:35:29 ID:laeG3rQ4(2/7)調 AAS
volunteer update
◆IRAIaaV18I
◆DQN/9/VVV.
◆uRW6KoTaRo
◆IZUMI162i6
◆sacrifyqG
◆79EROOYuCc
koro ◆8j1enTAicY
◆MOMOwomoIk
◆MARY/2Kkkc.
ありす ◆Alice7XIII
◆3X1b8VAs/E
◆yzY8OufLJI
◆TECHCS.zfQ
イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U
◆YassyNGhTM
◆IG7FqGWJqU
Techcs ◆TECHCS.zfQ
エボラ ◆172VC7723I
◆NerINe83fk
龍 ◆0RbUzIT0To
halc/cyan ◆duswpnLeMU
146(1): Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys 2006/07/31(月) 13:41:18 ID:laeG3rQ4(3/7)調 AAS
>>91 >>92
I am thinking leader should have the position for 1 year and next election
next year.
My thought on no resignation is this.
Volunteers can resign anytime they want to, they are under no obligation.
Leader is elected position, and is for 1 year.
Since it is anonymous election, nobody would really know the offline person
that is elected.
So it would be on your honor to help make the new election for next new leader
if you can not stay for 1 year.
147(1): Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys 2006/07/31(月) 13:44:50 ID:laeG3rQ4(4/7)調 AAS
>>96
Volunteers may come and go as they please. There is no obligation.
Lets use the system comfortably, and have fun.
148: Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys 2006/07/31(月) 13:55:49 ID:laeG3rQ4(5/7)調 AAS
>>109
>>111
Tubo is great!
This is tubo
外部ﾘﾝｸ:tubo.80.kg
It is pronounced Turbo in english with the R sound. so tubo is better for Japanese I think.
149: 2006/07/31(月) 14:12:04 ID:dTzQ3wKq(1)調 AAS
Mr.jim,
How is it thought about the responsibility?
For instance, to the lawsuit because of the outside.
(The volunteer doesn't assume the responsibility in two channels. )
150: 2006/07/31(月) 14:32:03 ID:hi8HcAsn(1)調 AAS
ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ bokki-age
151: 2006/07/31(月) 14:38:31 ID:Sb043K9s(1)調 AAS
Jim hello. I depend on machine translation.
A Japanese law is revised.
I think that there is a problem in "外部ﾘﾝｸ:test.up.bbspink.com
When an illegal image was uploaded, bbspink is brought into question directly by 1, uploader of bbspink. It is different from a note of url of a bulletin board
Because 2, a bbspink bulletin board do not suffer from a site to offer an obscene image falling under a Japanese law to, I think that it is the method that is not good that treat an image in a bbspink domain.
3, anyone can make a page letting you think that you prepared of bbspink. Confusion happens thereby.
外部ﾘﾝｸ[html]:test.up.bbspink.com
This is a made example.
There is little demand for "外部ﾘﾝｸ:test.up.bbspink.com
I wish that I want use to stop.
Even if there is not uploader, there can be a bbspink bulletin board.
I am concerned about problem outbreak by uploader in bbspink.
152: ありす ◆Alice7XIII 2006/07/31(月) 14:48:39 ID:f9ABvoJM(1/3)調 AAS
There are two questions in Jim_san.
Responsibility of the person that the first deletes it is a thing to where.
IZUMI_san is the same as it being asked you a question in res.
It is asked so a court of law responsibility about deletion in 2ch,
and I do not intend to appear.
The second is a question about a leader.
A leader manages an account of other members.
I mean as for it namely that I obtain personal information of other members.
A deletion account and personal e-mail address.
A leader seems to be a - turn to totally clean, and, as for me, there is resistance in what - changes in one year.
153: ありす ◆Alice7XIII 2006/07/31(月) 14:53:10 ID:f9ABvoJM(2/3)調 AAS
ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ ｳﾜｧｧｧﾝ！
I feel like being machine translation tatters. . . .
My English is strange
154: Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys 2006/07/31(月) 15:05:36 ID:laeG3rQ4(6/7)調 AAS
Maybe I am making a mistake on asking for a 1 year office?
155(1): Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys 2006/07/31(月) 15:13:14 ID:laeG3rQ4(7/7)調 AAS
I was going to answer each question individually but so many are basically the repeated question
of who is responsible.
Let me answer.
I am completely responsible for bbspink. Nobody else has any legal liability with it.
deleters are volunteers, and are not to be known publicly. personal information will not be collected
If there is personal information it will be kept in the USA, and only I will have access to it.
156(2): ひろゆき 2006/07/31(月) 15:22:05 ID:Y006qBKU(1/3)調 AAS
You's better tell the users:
Why you chose the vote?
What you want the leader do exactly?
157: ひろゆき 2006/07/31(月) 15:23:18 ID:Y006qBKU(2/3)調 AAS
I mean 'You'd'
158: 2006/07/31(月) 15:25:38 ID:/1gCMBK/(1)調 AAS
Dear Mr Jim.
I'm one of the user of bbs pink.
My U.S.E is poor, But I try to be bridge.
That's point is important for everyone, Mr jim.
The Volunteer would like to know the most basic decision of the structure.
"Who will take the legal accountability?"
Court already adjudicated, "bulletin board manager owes legal accountability".
Concretely, - Defamation, violation of Goodwill. - about Compensation for damages.
The Volunteer is not manager, Ofcourse.
The Volunteer is not some part of the management.
That's why, The Volunteer will not able to take the responsibility, specially about legal accountability.
The volunteer only deletes the case with the breach of rules like the machine.
The manager judges the deletion request that reason is illegal.
It is necessary to post it officially.
General's word will move a lot of volunteers. like a military forces.
and, The Volunteer worries about leader knows to another volunteer's privacy.
basicly, -Leak of official secrets-
Could you think about it please.
All the best
159: ありす ◆Alice7XIII 2006/07/31(月) 15:25:55 ID:f9ABvoJM(3/3)調 AAS
Does Jim_san perform setting of a deletion script and setting of a deletion account?
For the staff who cannot speak English, as for it, I think to become a slightly difficult problem.
There is the reason why we request a leader of a deletion person there.
160(1): Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★ 2006/07/31(月) 15:26:28 ID:??? AAS
>>156
Leader will organize the deleters. I want to have the vote because we have
had two nominations for leader, and then we can begin to work on the task at hand.
Leader will also be anonymous and I will take complete responsibility for bbspink.
161: 2006/07/31(月) 15:28:58 ID:z+B1VhFz(1)調 AAS
I recommend ◆ 79EROOYuCc to a leader.
Because she can mediate between Jim and a volunteer by English.
I think that she approaches a bulletin board to think of of Jim than a person showing the leadership.
Besides, she can go out with you in "デンパ". Her circumstances can become a volunteer and a cushion between Jim.
162(4): ひろゆき 2006/07/31(月) 15:30:29 ID:Y006qBKU(3/3)調 AAS
>>160
Are leader obligated to do something?
163(1): Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★ 2006/07/31(月) 15:32:56 ID:??? AAS
>>162
The leader has no obligation to do anything. It is only a matter of convenience
and wanting to do something for the community that will motivate the leader.
I am hoping that our deletion leader is someone that wants to help.
164(2): Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★ 2006/07/31(月) 15:39:27 ID:??? AAS
Deletion leader nominations have already been closed.
There is a voting link here. please vote.
外部ﾘﾝｸ:shibuya.v.la
165: 2006/07/31(月) 15:39:55 ID:1pRPOYh0(1/2)調 AAS
リーダーはなになくていいってさ。
ひろゆこを推薦すればいい流れ？
I recommend Hiroyuki to a leader.
166: Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI ＠桃色吐息 ★ 2006/07/31(月) 15:42:09 ID:??? BE AAS
>>162
Hiroyuki-san,
Just I made a cap handle for you.
This handle is "ひろゆき ★", not "どうやら管理人 ★", because you are not
an administrator of bbspink.
But its password is the same as "どうやら管理人 ★" in 2ch.
So, now you can use it here for authenticating yourself.
As you know, currently the BE system does not work in bbspink, so,
I recommend you would use the cap handle for preventing the forgery of
your important writing.
-- Mumumu
167(1): イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U 2006/07/31(月) 15:43:22 ID:TJ1HG7UN(1)調 AAS
機械翻訳なので内容が正確に伝わらないかも知れませんが書いてみます。
ジムさんならびにこのスレを利用されている皆さんこんにちは。HGです。
今日はこちらのスレッドを削除ツールの誤操作で間違えて削除してしまいました。
突然の事でびっくりした人も沢山いらっしゃると思います。
皆さんにご迷惑をおかけして申し訳ございませんでした。すみません。
今後はこのような失敗をしないよう、これまで以上に慎重に慎重に作業していきます。
Because it is machine translation, contents may not come precisely, but try to write it.
All of you hello that it is used Jim and this thread. It is HG.
I have deleted a thread of this place by false operation of a deletion tool by mistake today.
I think that a lot of people surprised at a sudden thing come.
I am sorry to trouble all of you. I'm sorry.
I will carry out such an activity carefully more carefully in future not to fail.
168(1): ひろゆき＠ひろゆき ★ 2006/07/31(月) 15:48:25 ID:??? AAS
test
169: Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI ＠桃色吐息 ★ 2006/07/31(月) 15:51:02 ID:??? BE AAS
>>168
Thank you.
I copied the cap to all bbspink BBS servers. (pie, idol, sakura01-03).
So, you can use this for your important writing in bbspink.
170: ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/31(月) 15:55:28 ID:qZWZpCUB(3/8)調 AAS
>>164
Good job, Jim-san.
When are you going to close the vote?
I want to wait for voting until hearing their final mind whether they want to be a leader or not.
171: 2006/07/31(月) 15:58:23 ID:1pRPOYh0(2/2)調 BE AAS
>>164
Jim-san
Is it the specification which cannot be voted from PC?
PCから投票出来ないのは仕様ですか？
172(2): Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI ＠桃色吐息 ★ 2006/07/31(月) 16:29:34 ID:??? BE AAS
To: all;
And I have an wish about the previous thread of this.
The current 2ch/bbspink system, the 1000-reached threads are archived to
the pastlog storage.
As you know, the pastlog archive can read by '●' (oyster) system by using
2ch browsers, but currently, oyster system does not support for standard
web browsers, typically IE and Firefox, etc.
So, I think the previous thread should be archived and HTML-nized on
some other place for publishing and referencing our important discussion.
Could someone undertake this?
-- Mumumu
P.S. I think this page should be written in both English and Japanese,
because Jim-san would refer it.
173: Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI ＠桃色吐息 ★ 2006/07/31(月) 16:36:13 ID:??? BE AAS
>>172
> As you know, the pastlog archive can read by '●' (oyster) system by using
> 2ch browsers
should be:
As you know, the pastlog archive can be read by '●' (oyster) system by using
2ch browsers
Sorry.
174(2): ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/31(月) 16:48:18 ID:qZWZpCUB(4/8)調 AAS
>>172
I undertake it.
175: Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI ＠桃色吐息 ★ 2006/07/31(月) 16:49:53 ID:??? BE AAS
>>174
Thank you. Please do it and show URL here when you've done.
176: Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★ 2006/07/31(月) 17:13:51 ID:??? AAS
>>167
I am sorry for the inconvenience. It is the only Japanese voting site I knew.
Don`t most people have cellphone in Japan now?
Please vote anyway domo wazawaza sumi-masen
177(1): Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★ 2006/07/31(月) 17:16:07 ID:??? AAS
>>174
Thank you Mary
178(3): 2006/07/31(月) 17:26:48 ID:gH4Esac5(1)調 BE AAS
ここにあるみたいだよー？
外部ﾘﾝｸ[html]:kintubo.kakiko.com
previous thread:
Let's talk with Jim-san
外部ﾘﾝｸ[html]:kintubo.kakiko.com
179: Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★ 2006/07/31(月) 17:29:20 ID:??? AAS
OK, lets vote here too.
外部ﾘﾝｸ[html]:tubo000.ninki.net
you can access this through tubo
180: Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI ＠桃色吐息 ★ 2006/07/31(月) 17:32:05 ID:??? BE AAS
>>178
Oh, it's good. Thank you for your pointing.
But Mary-san, you can make your own pastlog archive for getting diversity.
181: Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★ 2006/07/31(月) 17:41:13 ID:??? AAS
>>178 thank you.I bookmarked it. Lots of good memories
182: ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/31(月) 17:47:24 ID:qZWZpCUB(5/8)調 AAS
>>178
Oh, thank you very much to telling it.
>>177
No problem, anytime.
I don't make the page since there is already here. >>178
183: ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/31(月) 18:15:47 ID:qZWZpCUB(6/8)調 AAS
(The announcement in Japanese about the vote)
Jim-san says
PINK削除人リーダー投票のアドレスです。投票しましょう。
外部ﾘﾝｸ:shibuya.v.la
外部ﾘﾝｸ[html]:tubo000.ninki.net
下は壺を通して投票できます。
184: ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/31(月) 18:57:27 ID:qZWZpCUB(7/8)調 AAS
(Jim-san's words in Japanese)
ジムさんの意図と思われる訳をしますが、間違っている箇所がありましたらご指摘ください。
155 名前：Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys [] 投稿日：2006/07/31(月) 15:13:14 ID:laeG3rQ4
I was going to answer each question individually but so many are basically the repeated question
of who is responsible.
Let me answer.
I am completely responsible for bbspink. Nobody else has any legal liability with it.
deleters are volunteers, and are not to be known publicly. personal information will not be collected
If there is personal information it will be kept in the USA, and only I will have access to it.
私は各質問に答えるつもりでしたが、基本的に"誰が責任者なのか"という多数の同じ質問の繰り返しでした。
それにお答えします。
私はBBSPINKにおける全ての責任を負います。
私以外の誰も、いかなる法的な責任を負うことがありません。
削除人は有志であり、公に知らされません。
個人情報は集められません。
もし個人情報が保管されるときは、それは合衆国内にあり、私ただ一人だけがそれにアクセスします。
185: ◆MARY/2Kkkc 2006/07/31(月) 18:59:08 ID:qZWZpCUB(8/8)調 AAS
160 名前：Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★[] 投稿日：2006/07/31(月) 15:26:28 ID:???
>>156
Leader will organize the deleters. I want to have the vote because we have
had two nominations for leader, and then we can begin to work on the task at hand.
Leader will also be anonymous and I will take complete responsibility for bbspink.
リーダーは削除人を編制します。
2人の候補者がいるので、私は投票を行いたいと思います。
そして、私達はat handで仕事を始めることができます。（？）
リーダーも同様にanonymouseであり、私が完全にBBSPINKにおける責任を持ちます。
163 名前：Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★[] 投稿日：2006/07/31(月) 15:32:56 ID:???
>>162
The leader has no obligation to do anything. It is only a matter of convenience
and wanting to do something for the community that will motivate the leader.
I am hoping that our deletion leader is someone that wants to help.
リーダーには何の義務もありません。
それは単に便宜上であり、共同体に要求されるものであり、それがリーダーの動機となることでしょう。（？）
私は我々の削除リーダーが、奉仕精神を持つ方であることを望んでいます。
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