[過去ﾛｸﾞ] Chat in English (英語で雑談) part 213 (1002ﾚｽ)
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256(1): 名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/) 2019/09/24(火)13:56 ID:sGonzLr8H(11/15) AAS
>>254
Yeah, I think I'm at the same stage in Japanese as you are in English.
That is, I can write somewhat natural Japanese and I can see what's right "in hindsight",
but 実際に喋ること is still too "real-time" for me.
I've heard of this technique called "shadowing", where you basically just repeat, in real-time,
what a native speaker says. And in doing so, you're supposed to become more fluent and "quick at thinking on your feet"
when it comes to your target language.
But I haven't tried it yet, because I feel like I should be focused on bringing my listening comprehension up to truly 100% first,
rather than the 97% or so that it's at right now.
>The funny thing is that I know what “obsequious” and “flabbergasted” mean
省2
257(1): (ｽﾌﾟｯｯ Sd82-E2fJ) 2019/09/24(火)14:01 ID:EDtPEXy7d(1) AAS
>>251
Thane Camus and Dave spector are excellent. But they both learned from they were children. Children learn language faster than adults.
I checked out how Peter Barakan learned Japanese. He learned Japanese at the college maybe 4years. But he couldn't speak Japanese when he graduated.
After he came to Japan, He learned from TV drama and conversation.
258(1): 名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/) 2019/09/24(火)14:05 ID:sGonzLr8H(12/15) AAS
>>257
Interesting. I've heard that Dave Spector has an obvious foreign accent, whereas Thane Camus sounds like a native speaker. Am I wrong?
I am trying to learn from TV drama, anime, and YouTube. And after 3 years, I can read and understand almost all of it. But I can't speak yet.
I think mostly I am just too embarrassed to try.
But since my original goal was just "understanding" rather than "speaking", I am very happy. I will try to keep it up and hope that I can reach Peter Barkan's level someday.
After all, he's been living in Japan for at least 20 years before I was even born, so I think I should give myself that sort of time to catch up (*´∀｀*)
259(2): (ｽﾌﾟｯｯ Sd82-E2fJ) 2019/09/24(火)14:27 ID:Ir48VYXed(1) AAS
>>258
Thane Camus's accent is better than Peter Barakan.
I think shadowing is very good for listening. Repeating is good for speaking.
260(1): 名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/) 2019/09/24(火)14:42 ID:sGonzLr8H(13/15) AAS
>>259
Yes, I agree as well. We should all try shadowing and see if we ultimately improve at speaking our target language.
261(1): (ｽﾌﾟｯｯ Sd82-E2fJ) 2019/09/24(火)14:51 ID:M1IYSvVBd(1) AAS
>>260
You will be able to be like him (*'▽'*)
Why did you choose Japanese?
262(1): 名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/) 2019/09/24(火)14:55 ID:sGonzLr8H(14/15) AAS
>>259
Also I'm not sure if I misunderstood you,
but I feel that shadowing and repeating are almost the same,
the only difference is whether you repeat in "real-time" vs. whether you repeat "afterwards".
I think both probably have the same benefits.
I will try doing a combination of both from now on and seeing which one seems to work the best for me.
Time for me to go to bed.
Everyone "ganbatte ne" and hopefully we'll all be fluent soon enough.
263: 名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/) 2019/09/24(火)15:01 ID:sGonzLr8H(15/15) AAS
>>261
Well, I just think Japanese looks cooler than any other language I've ever seen in the world.
The way you guys mix ひらがな、カタカナ、漢字 I think it's very 賢い and I wish we had that in our language too.
I think you guys make the best media - yeah, the アニメ, ドラマ, エロ漫画, all of it.
I took one look at Japanese and I thought, "this must be the hardest language on earth. I HAVE to learn this."
I'm just a チャレンジ好き kind of guy, you know.
I've never regretted a single second of learning this language. I love it all.
Thank you for the encouragement.
Good night.
264: (ｽﾌﾟｯｯ Sd82-E2fJ) 2019/09/24(火)15:08 ID:z/3ytsypd(1) AAS
>>262
See you later.(*・ω・*)ノ
I didn't explain it well. I repeat just one phrase. I repeat the same phrase over and over. After that I totally memorize that phrase's pronunciation accent and intonation.
265(1): (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 46e3-XrkK) 2019/09/24(火)15:15 ID:tAYW/YEb0(8/8) AAS
>>255-256
It’s interesting for me as well to know we are in such a similiar situation and I wasn’t the only one.
I haven’t tried the shadowing method yet, but from your explanation I think it’s worth giving a try because it sounds like exactly what I need.
I really hope you make a successful switch to the “activation phase” of the Japanese language like I desire to of English, and we both someday be fluent both in speaking and writing.
It was fun having a conversation with you. Have a good night!
266: (ｽﾌﾟｯｯ Sd82-E2fJ) 2019/09/24(火)15:23 ID:AhLQSMLxd(1) AAS
>>265
(*・ω・*)ノ
267: (ﾜｯﾁｮｲW 619d-CYGD) 2019/09/24(火)15:31 ID:6a2oo+o00(4/4) AAS
☆*:.｡. o(≧▽≦)o .｡.:*☆
268: (ﾜｯﾁｮｲWW 86de-8ldJ) 2019/09/24(火)15:53 ID:mWkzQVGx0(2/2) AAS
This Japanese youtuber called AK-English has learned English in a year by speaking English with her flatmates and her story was quite fascinating.
Like how she thought "first of all" was just one word until much later.
She also talked about some interesting stuff like how those Japanese children she taught English could speak the language without an accent until the age 6 or something
and their pronunciation would only get worse after they learned the alphabet in school.
269(1): (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 619d-tKbs) 2019/09/24(火)21:41 ID:XOkr4K4A0(1) AAS
Have you guys seen the brooch of Lady Hale??
It's a shockingly huge spider. lol
She must be around 80 years old, but she has avant-garde aesthetics!!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/jewellery/lady-hales-brooches-surprisingly-trend/
270(1): 名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/) 2019/09/25(水)02:05 ID:8Rv9yTAZH(1) AAS
>>269
Whoa, that is pretty cool.
I didn't even know what a 'brooch' was until now, lmao.
Oh! One thing that you guys might want to try is watch English-language "Let's Play" videos on YouTube.
One of my favorite things to do in Japanese is watch 実況プレイ vids, since not only is the content fun and interesting, but the commentary is useful listening practice.
On top of that -- and this is where I think Let's Play videos shine in terms of their usefulness -- the players will often read out all the in-game dialogue out loud,
so you can practice reading along with native audio.
My favorite Japanese Let's Player is 実況局だいだら. He talks a lot, and he reads everything out loud.
Even compared to other Japanese Let's Players, I think he speaks and reads very well.
It makes me realize that I need to learn to read way faster if I ever want to keep up with people like him, haha.
271(2): (ﾜｯﾁｮｲW 619d-CYGD) 2019/09/25(水)03:39 ID:fCjbckgS0(1/3) AAS
Sad news. I was rejected by seven eleven job. What the fuck?!
272(1): (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 46e3-XrkK) 2019/09/25(水)04:03 ID:3AL2P1Bt0(1/2) AAS
>>271
Cheer up, man. Just take a look at your ID!
ID: fCjbckgS0
-> fC ck jbgs0 (Move “jb”)
-> fu ck jbgs0 (Rotate “C” by 90 degrees)
-> fu ck j0b gs (Rearrange)
Finally, remove the “g” and the “s”, because they are the first characters of “grief” and “sadness”, which are the feelings you want to get rid of.
-> fuck j0b
See? You don’t have to be so sad. In the first place, LABOR IS SHIT!
273: (ｽﾌｯ Sd22-E2fJ) 2019/09/25(水)04:16 ID:mt6crJ7wd(1) AAS
I've watched so many tropical fruits. That is Peru travel video.
274(1): (ｽﾌｯ Sd22-E2fJ) 2019/09/25(水)04:26 ID:psluHsomd(1) AAS
>>270
It's not hard to get reading ability. It's fun to read foreign books and foreign article on the Internet. I'm interested in learning many languages.
275(1): (ｵｯﾍﾟｹ Sr51-WSFn) 2019/09/25(水)07:11 ID:oeHSntB2r(1) AAS
>>274
Do you mean that such ability to reading foreign books is easy to get?
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