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876: 動け動けウゴウゴ２ちゃんねる [sage] 2014/07/30(水) 00:03:10.78 ID:/dY8JYtB0

Dear Jim,
Re: Foreign Languages Board

(if and only if ◆f/UruE.G8.= ◆OXgwxAc3nk)

[POINT A] >>869
It’s a real shame that ◆f/UruE.G8. misled you by a very unfaithful English summary of the text written in Japanese:
http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gogaku/1405348161/279
A possible literal translation:
> How many people here know the details of the information leak of personal data which occurred last year at 2ch?
> Don’t you remember the upheaval, saying that not only e-mail address and credit card numbers,
> but also all the texts posted with the IDs, of those who bought [so called MARU for] 2ch viewer, were able to be identified?
> But, did the administration staff of 2ch compensate the victims, fulfilling their responsibility?
> The first speaker of the thread (>>1) will certainly evade her/his responsibility, if there are such problems.

I do never understand how she/he could conclude, from this post, that “they had threatened”,
by summarising it by the following biased phrase "Showing IP address can lead to the leakage of the personal information
such as credit-card number."

[POINT B]
Contrarily to what she/he tries to say in >>869, she/he wrote himself at the very end of the first thread:
http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gogaku/1405348161/990
>990 名前： ◆f/UruE.G8. [] 投稿日：2014/07/27(日) 00:08:15.87
(…..)
>外国語（英語除く）板では強制ID制を望む声がありますが、
>このスレッドで強制ID制導入についての皆さんのご意見を伺いたいと思います。(……)
You may translate that heading:
> As some of us would like to introduce the forced ID into this foreign language board,
> in this thread, we’d like to hear your opinions concerning the possible introduction of the forced ID.

If she/he thinks that the decision was already made, why did she/he propose such lines for the next thread?

Two more facts:
(1) Because of her/his hot tempered character, even her/his pros recommended her/him not to write in the thread:
http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gogaku/1406388326/21
http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gogaku/1406388326/24
and she/he doesn’t appear after these posts.
It means that she/he abandoned his role of managing the thread and the discussion, doesn’t it?

(2) But the most important one: as you observe in the posts from the end of the first thread to the second one,
a really substantial discussion was held on this weekend.
This fact means, on the foreign language board, we have to spare SOME WEEKS to have a real discussion.
It’s not yet time to vote.

Thanks again, and really sorry to bother you...
We continue to discuss, and bring our conclusion in one month.

http://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1393063744/876

887:  ◆aPhqEdfP5P.R  [sage] 2014/10/28(火) 01:56:06.83 ID:Uu1WtiFd0 BE:947631972-?2BP(0)

/// The summary of argument ///
[Agreeing opinion of ID display]
It is easy to identify a write-in person.
Abusive language can be hidden using an exclusive browser function.
A specific person can be made undisplayed.
An offender can be collectively reported to management.
A barren argument and acting in a play of their own writing can be restricted.
Writing with criminality can be checked.

[Dissenting opinion of ID display]
The amount of writing of the whole board decreases and there is fear of decrease in population.
It is meaningless if IP is changeable.
It is not late even if it puts in, after a board is ruined.
Illustrating thread, it is unnecessary.
The argument has not been rendered yet.
There is a possibility that an opportunism utterance may come out from the flow of an argument.
It is hard to write the off-color talk.
It is hard to maintain the freedom of an utterance.

[Agreeing opinion of Name-of-a-prefecture display]
It is indicated by discernment still more finely than ID display.
It becomes difficult to do acting in a play of its own writing using a smart phone etc.
A rumor, spoofing, etc. are discriminable.

[Dissenting opinion of Name-of-a-prefecture display]
With idle talk, a local name of a prefecture becomes a fixed handle name easily.An external person flows into a sales thread and there is fear of confusion.
It is easy to become specification of viewing and listening in a broadcast out-of-bounds area, and district people's discrimination.
It is hard to carry out the writing which hides privacy that a local individual is easy to be specified.

http://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1393063744/887

889:  ◆cSM4LwqitM  [] 2014/12/10(水) 20:51:11.25 ID:6IrcDAkQ0 BE:941255644-?2BP(0)

Dear Jim-san

I'm a Mathematics-Board user.
http://wc2014.2ch.net/math/

We discussed and voted about displaying IDs in this thread.
discuss : http://wc2014.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/math/1416399853/
vote : http://kanae.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/vote/1416925674/

Result here.
Approval : 16
Opposite : 3

Please change the IDs settings in SETTING.TXT, BBS_FORCE_ID=checked and remove the check from BBS_NO_ID.

[summary of the discussion]
■Opinions for displaying IDs
・We are suffering from trolls, vandalisms, and extreme right-wing propagandas.
Displaying IDs may effective in improvement of the environment of this board.
・There is no inconvenience in displaying IDs.
・NG system will become more convenient if IDs are displayed.

■Opinions against displaying IDs
・There is no conveniense in displaying IDs.
・Most of the threads are not suffering from trolls.
・We should make deletion requests before changing IDs settings.

http://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1393063744/889

900:  ◆8S3wW1kAq5oY  [] 2015/06/16(火) 00:14:56.27 ID:IvZ5hgSs0 BE:454287769-?2BP(0)

ジムさんへ
椎名林檎板の住人はID表示について議論し、そして投票を行いました。
Hi Jim-san.
This is message from representative user of 椎名林檎 in 2ch Bulletin Board System.

Board name：椎名林檎
Board URL：http://anago.2ch.net/apple/
変更申請内容：強制ID表示化

We hope to display forcibly poster's ID.
Our discussion thread
投票スレッド：http://kanae.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/vote/1434000369/
投票期間：2015/06/13 00:00:00:00 ～ 2015/06/14 23:59:99.99 （日本標準時）
議論スレッド：http://anago.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/apple/1433395559/

The following address is result of our election with regard to this problem.
投票結果は、賛成多数となりました。
http://kanae.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/vote/1434000369/
投票の結果 The result of vote
賛成○ 17票 votes17 Support
反対Ｘ 0票 votes0 Disapproval

意見を纏めました The opinion was summarized.
■強制ID表示賛成の意見 An opinion in favor
・荒らしや低レベルな書き込みが多いから賛成
・書き込みの質や雰囲気が良くなれば少しは住民が増えるかもしれないから賛成
・荒らしをNGにできるから賛成
・以前椎名林檎板のサーバーがダウンして強制ID表示制の他板に避難したとき雰囲気が良かったから賛成
・自演が減るから賛成
・自演じゃないのに自演と決めつける人が減るから賛成
・ちょっとでも批判的なことを書くとすぐアンチと決めつけてくる人をNGにできるから賛成
・不快なものを目にする機会が今より少しでも減って欲しいから賛成

■強制ID表示反対の意見 An opposite opinion
・IDは簡単に変えることができるし今更強制IDにしてもあまり意味がないから反対
・自分のIDがNGにされると嫌だから反対

強制ID表示化の検討をお願いします。
宜しくお願い致します。

Thank you.

http://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1393063744/900

908:  ◆n7GqUICnjQ  [] 2016/01/25(月) 00:22:49.92 ID:yIaxn2/N0 BE:417223606-?2BP(2072)

Dear Jim-san,

I'm from Radio-Board ( http://yomogi.2ch.net/radio/ ).
I and Nanashi users discussed and voted about forced ID setting.

Discuss Thread : http://yomogi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/radio/1452765428/
Vote Thread :http://tamae.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/vote/1453283883/

Voting results :
Total : 13
Approval : 11
Opposite : 1
Invalid : 1

Approval opinion (part) :
We can set to NG unsightly users in 2ch-Browsers.
Forced ID setting will be suppression of the vandalism.
Some rogues ignore the guidelines of 2ch and the local rules of Radio-Board.
...

Opposite opinion (part) :
There is no change by forced ID setting.
To begin with, there is no thread that has been roughened.
There is a possibility that the ID stalker occurs.
...

So, could you change the IDs settings in SETTING.TXT,
BBS_FORCE_ID=checked and remove the check from BBS_NO_ID ?

Best regards,

One user of Radio-Board.

http://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1393063744/908

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