Let's talk with Jim-san. Part32

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862(2): 2015/02/03(火) 20:14:38.65 ID:O39okLRf(1)調 AAS
Hi, Jim-san.
I am ニュー速F(外部ﾘﾝｸ:aoi.bbspink.com user.
We discussed and voted about setting ID, signboard and 1001.txt.
Please change these setting.(^-^)

・Change Signboard -> 画像ﾘﾝｸ

( Discussion : 2chｽﾚ:3shuchaku )
( Vote : 2chｽﾚ:vote )

・Change 1001.txt -> 2chｽﾚ:aasaloon
( Disc : 2chｽﾚ:3shuchaku )
( Vote : 2chｽﾚ:vote )

・Change SETTING.TXT
BBS_SLIP=checked -> BBS_SLIP=verbose
( Disc : 2chｽﾚ:3shuchaku )
( Vote : 2chｽﾚ:vote )

(*About "BBS_SLIP=verbose" (japanese)
　外部ﾘﾝｸ[29]:info.2ch.net
　e.g. なんでも実況J　外部ﾘﾝｸ[TXT]:orpheus.2ch.net
　　　ニュース速報VIP 外部ﾘﾝｸ[TXT]:viper.2ch.net )

863(1): 2015/02/03(火) 22:57:33.42 ID:00GwYQXj(1)調 AAS
>>862
画像ﾘﾝｸ

↓
画像ﾘﾝｸ

864(1): 2015/02/04(水) 13:12:58.11 ID:D1tVp51D(1)調 AAS
coming troll in News-F(3shuchaku) board from other day.
so our council moved to sakhalin.

ニュー速F板自治スレ＠非政治トピックスレ線引き、取り扱い議論スレ [転載禁止]©2ch.net
2chｽﾚ:sakhalin

865: 2015/02/04(水) 23:05:04.23 ID:BhLY+QYo(1)調 AAS
Hi, Jim-san.

“We”“many people” of >>861 is not true.
It is not announced about the discussion.

866: 2015/02/05(木) 02:20:49.81 ID:8VUI5N5i(1/2)調 AAS
Hi, Mr.Jim

URL " 2ch板:erobbs " guides new server as " nasu.2ch.net " ,
bat, correct server name is " nasu.bbspink.com " .

I hope your ... your ... mending , when you have a time .

867(3): 2015/02/05(木) 06:54:51.50 ID:8VUI5N5i(2/2)調 AAS
2chの運用板はRoninないと書けないんだった
のでこちらに

dear Mr.Jim
I'm just only "nanashi", so perhaps I should not say this,
but I hope you hear me out.

Mr.Mango and Mr.FOX has do various settings,
feature abolition & abolition, and leads Reporter CAP.
But they are too administrator-ish.
They explains very few. They doesn't think from user's view.
As a result, users feels inconvenient and uneasiness,
and dispute occurs at various place.

So, I think that 2ch needs a person who can be a "cushion",
who can think from user's view, can speak Japanese well, and has skill.
Support and (beforehand) check thier work,
and make some (beforehand) notice to users, and make document.
Accoding as this, users can use 2ch comfortable, settles tha matter quickly,
and it can realize improve of PV and decrease Mr.Jim( & Mr.CM )'s time and labor.
I hope for your consideration.

Thanks you for reading my awkward english.
/* 日本語で書いたほうが良さそうならすぐにでも日本語で書き直します */

868(1): 2015/02/05(木) 10:51:01.61 ID:ydb8mmhO(1/2)調 AAS
Hi Jim-san,

We didn't have a full conversation about >>861
There are too many opponents and the noes have it.
He, azas ◆IPf3SNpHV4eu, is pushy...

thank you

869: 2015/02/05(木) 11:43:30.26 ID:ydb8mmhO(2/2)調 AAS
Jim-san,

>>861 >>868

I provide background information to you.
2chｽﾚ:operate

He wrote also here.
2chｽﾚ:operate

870: 2015/02/06(金) 07:28:13.45 ID:kw0osGBW(1)調 AAS
Good Morning Mr.Jim

I'm >>867.
But today I take a matter that is little differ from >>867.

Please read bellow.
2chｽﾚ:mango
This is not English, all of this is written in Japanese.
Moreover, it includes " Mouko-ben " that is like a dialect and is mainly used in "/livejupiter/".
I can't translate this to English because of my poor English skill.
But, I hope to you read this ( if possible, by yourself) .

It's contains access restriction issue and anti crime issue.
I think it is very delicate issue that requires careful discussion and judgment of administrators,
but it seems to be that Mr.Mango decides all by himself.

871: 2015/02/09(月) 22:28:16.50 ID:5jowNlWn(1)調 AAS
Hi Jim san
嫌儲の行数規制が厳しくてAAが貼れません
行数規制はそのままに、運営に許可されたAAは規制に引っ掛からないように出来ませんか

I think Kenmo's regulation(number of lines) is very unsparing.
Could you keep the regulation in addition (also) permit a certain AA?

I want to paste 画像ﾘﾝｸ

872: 2015/02/10(火) 06:44:52.63 ID:xsbcvGF6(1)調 AAS
Does Mr.Jim no longer check here?
I look forward to hearing at least your thoughts.

873: 867 2015/02/11(水) 08:58:19.85 ID:dzyVkDAQ(1)調 AAS
Hi Mr.Jim.

Mr.FOX (drunker) changed /moeplus/ board from "萌ニュース＋" to "アイドル＋".
This board's target was Anime, Manga(Comics), Game.
But He added "IDOL" topic (like AKB48, NMB48 ).
And he also changes this board's LR.
He did arbitrary.

He ignore reporter and user.
A lot of Report and a lot of user are
against this change and angry very much.
They wants to turn /moeplus/ back before.

What do you think about it, Mr.Jim ?

874: 2015/02/11(水) 15:03:26.45 ID:DADLmIOE(1)調 AAS
Hi jim san.
I often see news board.
But news board sometimes get same topic.

It is often said that Some of the companies sometimes make many same topic to against topic what is not good for own company.

Can you make system to marge these topic?
or make people who make same topic ban.

875: 2015/02/11(水) 18:00:49.38 ID:fYk11K/I(1)調 AAS
Hi Mr.jim .
Please prohibit the Ress from a smartphone with a PinkJ.
Many flamers ress in it from a smartphone.

ジムへ
PinkJのスマホを禁止してください
荒らしはスマートフォンからレスしてる人が多いです。

英語に自信ないけどこんな感じかな

876: [age] 2015/02/12(木) 00:04:55.16 ID:ufmRxbZK(1)調 AAS
反応ないのは悲しいね

877(1): 2015/02/13(金) 10:22:55.66 ID:e0vZO2ja(1)調 AAS
Hello Mr.Jim.

Domain "RACEQUEEN.PH" probably seems to be expired.
.PH whois server "dot.ph" returns "Domain Name: RACEQUEEN.PH Expires on : February 9, 2015".
So I cannot access racequeen.ph with http/smtp. DNS query returns A record "203.119.6.168".

878: 2015/02/13(金) 16:54:01.13 ID:ObzgMBIE(1)調 AAS
Why regulation removed ?

879: 2015/02/13(金) 19:37:59.68 ID:KdqRyRlv(1)調 AAS
ジムさんどこ行ってしまったの？

880: 2015/02/13(金) 20:23:59.93 ID:XzxxXlao(1)調 AAS
みんなのこころの中にいるよ

881(1): Grape Ape ★ 転載ダメ©bbspink.com [sageteyon] 2015/02/13(金) 21:50:59.32 ID:??? AAS
>>877
Thank you, I was wondering why my
email was less..:)
I renewed it. I really appreciate that.

882: 転載ダメ©bbspink.com [sageteyon] 2015/02/13(金) 23:21:44.84 ID:ThkMOS7l(1)調 AAS
Report to Mr. Jim

the affiliate blog named "EVA-soku" reproduced a shred of BBS-pink's "New-soku frontier 外部ﾘﾝｸ:aoi.bbspink.com
Anonymous found that the administrator manage "Yaraon". this affiliate blog has been prohibited from reproducing by the pre-administrator of 2ch Hiroyuki Nishimura.
Moreover, his profile including his name is found.
the shreds of this topic are
2chｽﾚ:poverty
2chｽﾚ:3shuchaku

883(1): 2015/02/14(土) 00:03:04.66 ID:ag2YOb0+(1)調 AAS
>>881
you are welcome.
but i hope you to read >>867 and tell what you think about it.

885(1): 2015/02/15(日) 05:56:26.64 ID:WUtaWYcO(1)調 AAS
>>883
You idiot
interesting things might happen if you didnt say that.
All you got is the word thank

886: 2015/02/15(日) 22:45:32.18 ID:bN4XZ1Pg(1)調 AAS
狼のローカルルールに↓追加でお願いします
ID等導入に関する議論・投票および申請を禁止します。

887: 2015/02/15(日) 23:57:18.50 ID:ZOGL743N(1)調 AAS
>>885
I'll wait Mr.Jim so patiently.

888: 2015/02/16(月) 11:02:03.27 ID:rsLbd/tq(1/3)調 AAS
何がしたいねんヨガデブ

889: 2015/02/16(月) 12:10:37.60 ID:xDa5e/L5(1)調 AAS
白豚この野郎！
ファッキンジャップくらいわかるよ！馬鹿野郎！
ダンカンこの野郎！

890: 2015/02/16(月) 12:42:41.70 ID:yCdXglKE(1/3)調 AAS
Dear James Arthur Watkins.
If I may, I would like to ask you some questions below.

- Why did you contract with janesoft/Jane,Inc ?
- Is it possible to get rights of using new API without throughing janesoft/Jane,Inc ?
- When it will be stopped that accessing DAT directly?
- Do you want to force dedicated browser to showing ads?
- Do you want to restrict Normal HTTP access through read.cgi?
- What do you think about how to prevent scraping?

891(4): Grape Ape ★ 転載ダメ©bbspink.com [sageteyon] 2015/02/16(月) 12:53:52.58 ID:??? AAS
Good morning, wow you know my name.
How are you today?
Tell me more about yourself? What concern
is it of you? We are not going to restrict
access to 2ch users. That is the important
thing.

892(1): 2015/02/16(月) 12:57:51.06 ID:V8TOcPrc(1)調 AAS
>>891
Come on!

Let's talk about 2ch browser with Jim-san&Codemonkey-san in Kenmo [転載禁止](c)2ch.net [617490624]
2chｽﾚ:poverty

893(1): 2015/02/16(月) 13:00:17.81 ID:4YJBnW3U(1)調 AAS
>>891
Come on.

Let's talk with Jim-san in NanJ. [転載禁止](c)2ch.net
2chｽﾚ:livejupiter

894: 2015/02/16(月) 13:05:55.78 ID:yCdXglKE(2/3)調 AAS
>>891
Thanks your response.
I'm relieved to hear "We are not going to restrict access to 2ch users".
If you have time , please come >>892 or >>893's thread.

I worry about this 2chｽﾚ:software .
Many users are embarrassed.

895: 2015/02/16(月) 13:16:13.40 ID:z4gV02Il(1)調 AAS
>>891
2chｽﾚ:operate
2chｽﾚ:operate

Hi, Jim-san. Please do not forget Yugioh board... (;_;)

896: 2015/02/16(月) 13:16:49.45 ID:YeBnhk4p(1)調 AAS
Dear Jim

we dont rely on Mr. Yamasita.
becouse he dont explain google adsense with JaneStyle.
he pretend the orignal jane developper but he is not the orignal developer of Jane.
the orignal Jane is Open Jane, and it is free.

私たちは山下さんに不信感を持っています
なぜなら彼は私達に黙って専ブラにグーグルアドセンスを入れて勝手に個人情報をグーグルに送っていたからです
これについての説明を彼から聞いたことはありません
そして彼はJaneブラウザを開発した人ではありません
JaneブラウザはOpen Janeがオリジナルであり、これは無料で開発されました

897: 2015/02/16(月) 13:18:55.43 ID:Yf59ipaM(1)調 AAS
jimさん

we dont rely on Mr. Yamasita.
becouse he dont explain google adsense with JaneStyle.
he pretend the orignal jane developer but he is not the orignal developer of Jane.
the orignal Jane is Open Jane, and it is free.

I think it is not good idea that
Mr. Yamasita has the personally identifiable information of jane programmers

898: 2015/02/16(月) 14:27:26.84 ID:yCdXglKE(3/3)調 AAS
Dear James Arthur Watkins,

I fervently hope to talk with you.
It doesn't matter that public or not, on 2ch bbs or on Skype chat, Japanese or English.
If you want, I will tell you my name, mail-address, or what you want before talking.
I have wait and I will wait.

899: 2015/02/16(月) 15:10:47.62 ID:tv9o8BFT(1/4)調 AAS
Yamashita rejects many browsers which compete with his browser(JaneStyle).
He isn't appropriate for judge.

900: 2015/02/16(月) 15:19:10.73 ID:0O1Ob3hQ(1)調 AAS
Hello, dear Mr. Jim
Thank you for your hard work.

Mr. Jim, Mr. Codemonkey and related persons hampered net agents who restricted user posting opinions, especially in the newsplus-board. Thank you very much for it too.

However please desist from wiping out successive browsers.
Though I reiterate it, the 2ch is the last standing as for our media.
Furthermore, current your enemies are colluding with "Liberal Democratic Party (Japan)" or "National Police Agency" and other bureaucracy. So to speak, you should think it is Japanese government itself.
They can upset your rights by twisting the laws if they truly intend to do so.
Or they might shut out your hosts from IP addresses, probably pretending something like errors.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
"Correction: NPA to urge ISP industry to help site administrators block users of anonymity software"
外部ﾘﾝｸ[html]:web.archive.org
(Mainichi Shinbun's article in English)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Their purpose is the media controlling on net.
If you restricted users by alteration of system and the amount of users dwindle, you will play into their hands.
In fact, the amount of users plummeted in the bbspink when an alteration was added though I think Mr. Codemonkey knows it well.
Once again, you should think Japan is NO LONGER law-ruled state.
I am ruing it still yet that my uncareful activity killed the related persons, at least, it is sure as for Mr. Isamu Kaneko of the Winny's Leak Case.
Anyway Japanese security police can do clandestinely everything, arson, robbers, rape, murder and so on, out of law.

901: 2015/02/16(月) 17:27:08.71 ID:tP+wVPjp(1/3)調 AAS
Jimは何も解ってなかったんだな
利益優先で無茶苦茶やりはじめたら誰も付いてこんぞ

902(1): 2015/02/16(月) 17:51:37.47 ID:tv9o8BFT(2/4)調 AAS
And Yamashita kills off all open source browsers. It's crazy.

903: 2015/02/16(月) 18:03:41.10 ID:qmY6PR+R(1)調 AAS
Jimさんに、伝えたい事があってスレにきました。

山下さんについて、携帯のみのユーザーはよくわからないのですが
［ぬこブラウザ］や［iMona］等の
いわゆる携帯電話などから2chにアクセスが困難な人達が
大好きな2chやBBSPINKを利用するのに必要な方々が沢山居ます

ですが、山下さんの権限では許諾出来ないとなっているようです。

スマホですらない携帯ユーザーから、大好きな2chやBBSPINKを
奪わないように出来ないでしょうか？
PCとかとは違い、開発者が辞めてしまったり
携帯という物からのアクセスであったりを考えると
今だにCookieすら満足に保持出来ない方々も多く
皆が2chやBBSPINKを続けたいのに、出来ないと泣いています。
携帯ユーザーをどうか、救ってくれませんか？

904(1): Grape Ape ★ 転載ダメ©bbspink.com [sageteyon] 2015/02/16(月) 18:38:52.26 ID:??? AAS
Quit being Chicken little. The sky is not
falling. If you have a problem with Yamashita-san
talk to him. He is in the software board.
2ch板:software
Things are going to be better, not worse.

905(6): Grape Ape ★ 転載ダメ©bbspink.com [sageteyon] 2015/02/16(月) 18:40:42.83 ID:??? AAS
>>902
I have known Yamashita-san for many
years. That is not true. Only pirates
will be effected by anything. Normal
users and normal browsers will not be.

906: 2015/02/16(月) 18:48:17.50 ID:RM4RC7+4(1)調 AAS
To: jim san

navi2ch reject from yamashita.
Yamashita doesn't indicate a reason.
bavi2ch wrote by lisp program.

Yamashita is going to rule 2ch.

907: 2015/02/16(月) 18:50:32.65 ID:MtX6arZm(1)調 AAS
the dedicated browser I made was rejected by yamashita-san.
if I negotiate with jim-san, will my appli revive?

908: 2015/02/16(月) 18:51:28.92 ID:e6jiVust(1)調 AAS
Hello Jim-san.
According to "外部ﾘﾝｸ:developer.2ch.net "All 2ch browsers" are banned to get 2ch posts from read.cgi.
But, developer.2ch.net doesn't mention "2ch.net-related services".
Is it allowed that "2ch.net-related services" gets 2ch posts from read.cgi?

909: 2015/02/16(月) 18:51:39.88 ID:h3imZVZ5(1)調 AAS
Many developers have declared the development stop as fact.
Or rather, I don't know 2ch browser to continued development.
Perhaps half of the people this state will not have from here.

910: 2015/02/16(月) 18:53:13.18 ID:srWi9HbX(1/2)調 AAS
Jim-san,

Just now I've heard that 2ch eco system will drastically change in coming March,
and development of browser for the new system is strictlly controlled under your
permission.
I am just a reader, and not a developer, so I do NOT intend to develop new browser
of my own, but I am afraid that many browsers cannot remain after this change -
the browser I usually use may disappear.

So I would like to confirm whether you mind/ban the following activities done by
users for their own convenience to read 2ch:

1. To read 2ch by general web browsers such as Chrome, Firefox, and etc.
2. To build "add-on" for the above browsers to modify the rendering of 2ch threads.
3. To share such add-on for other uses.

As long as I know, there are no regulation to give web administrators any authorities
to ban the users' right to do the above 2 nor 3 in Japan. If you limited access to 2ch
such that only permitted browsers could do, the above 1 becomes unable and also the
2 and 3, but I guess you do not hope such closed system.

Anyway, I would like to know your policy for the above, concerning the new 2ch.
Could you please let me (and many other users) know your opinion about this?

911: 2015/02/16(月) 18:55:14.37 ID:tP+wVPjp(2/3)調 AAS
山下と話し合えと言うならあいつに出て来い言え

912: 2015/02/16(月) 18:59:45.46 ID:jBtK8Fa8(1)調 AAS
ンゴwwwとか言ってる人たちの反応が薄い気がするのは、まだ時期尚早なだけなのかな
彼らの矛先はいったいどこに向かうんだろう

913: 2015/02/16(月) 19:00:38.62 ID:LvZrfdeq(1/2)調 AAS
山下君の見解

2chｽﾚ:software
> 430　名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。　[sage]　2015/02/16(月) 15:00:57.62 ID:3K6ufJEA0 [7/9]
> >>429
> 2chでJimに直接言えばいい
> 少しは自分の頭で考えろ

914: 2015/02/16(月) 19:04:09.71 ID:IiBuv+nV(1)調 AAS
spyle以外の専ブラ潰す気か？よりによってスパイウェア仕込んでる犯罪者のところに客集約するとか正気かよ
ふざけてんのかjim

915: 2015/02/16(月) 19:04:14.05 ID:/hzYYA+D(1/2)調 AAS
>>905
i love you sir!

In this situation "ギコナビ"(not pirates) has already said development cancellation

he said that he does not receive the reward either,
but is that it was refused by Yamashita-san because registration is a steering wheel name

I worry when here may decrease in population
and Population flows out into the others,like SC(I hate SC)

916: 2015/02/16(月) 19:11:03.88 ID:kreofzR+(1)調 AAS
>>905
Can I get a API licence without Yamashita-san?

917: 2015/02/16(月) 19:11:16.47 ID:/hzYYA+D(2/2)調 AAS
Now,
doesn't seem to be an admitted "open source browsers"

918: 2015/02/16(月) 19:12:33.32 ID:WV2Arh9G(1)調 AAS
V2C　will be dead

919: 2015/02/16(月) 19:14:05.16 ID:DvwAH8nq(1)調 AAS
Jim san

How do you think about a spyware on Jane style?
Don't you know we call it "Jane Spyle"?
Many 2ch user hate Yamashita.

920: 2015/02/16(月) 19:19:52.57 ID:D0Thads3(1)調 AAS
fuck jim
fuckfuckfuckfuck

jane style fuck
fuck

921: 2015/02/16(月) 19:36:13.02 ID:tv9o8BFT(3/4)調 AAS
>>905
Open source based browsers are rejected by Yamashita actually.
Pirates don't need dat files, they can also use read.cgi.
But dedicated browsers can't escape.

922: 2015/02/16(月) 19:42:09.93 ID:HE6iAwwi(1)調 AAS
Yamashita will hide fuckin spyware in the new 2ch browser,
and SC will continue to steal regardless of the new API.
We users will not be able to avoid those hopeless tragedy and being ruled by LIAR JIM with UGLY NISHIMURA.

923: 2015/02/16(月) 19:47:14.94 ID:KW9RD5cS(1)調 AAS
>>904
誘導されたので

Let's talk with Yamashita-san. [転載禁止](c)2ch.net
2chｽﾚ:software

924: 2015/02/16(月) 19:48:21.60 ID:srWi9HbX(2/2)調 AAS
Jim-san is saying that there are no problem because he already met
and talked with developpers of major browsers and they understood
everything.
But now, many developpers have declared discontinue development
of their browsers, and some people mention the reason as that they
do not want to obey conditions shown by Yamashita-san, e.g. they
should tell their personel information to him, he can command them
urgent fix (in 14 days) of their browsers, and etc.

So I wonder whether there is difference between Jim-san's explanation
to them and Yamashita-san's one. I think Jim-san should communicate
directly with developpers to calm this confusion, because Yamashita-san
do not announce any more detailed explanation.

Please let me know if anyone know browser permitted by Yamashita-san
other than his Jane Style.

925: 2015/02/16(月) 19:49:26.37 ID:MrrqBBo1(1)調 AAS
V2C殺すなー
do not kill V2C

926: /名無しさん[1-30] ◆.htmlXG20g 2015/02/16(月) 20:00:21.32 ID:bskw939F(1)調 AAS
PINKちゃんねる Vol.1 ISBN4-87734-732-1
110ページ
「PINKちゃんねる管理人として」より抜粋

> ただ単にコンピュータ・コードを書いただけで逮捕された（以下略

ユーザーのためのユーザーによる2ちゃんねるはどこへ行ったのでしょうか？

927: 2015/02/16(月) 20:01:24.01 ID:Q5Lta+Pa(1/2)調 AAS
Many OSX user uses V2C.
Because not so much options for them.

I think this movement let OSX users get lost ...
Some will use browser or some will use AUTHORIZED browser.
But most must leave 2ch.net.
Because it's very messy to access via web browser or to change 2ch browser.

I predict that after closing .dat access route , Mac boards are going to begin depopulation.

BTW, maybe you don't care about us than we love you... :-(

928: 2015/02/16(月) 20:13:02.02 ID:yZ+g+FwM(1/2)調 AAS
>>905
Hi, Jim-san,

The developers of normal browsers are imposed on many restrictions by Yamashita.

Firstly, they are forced to send their personal information, such as their real name, address, telephone number and so on, to Yamashita.
Some authors (e.g., Jane View, Jane Xeno, 2Live, Twintail) don't want to provide their personal information, so they may stop developing.
In fact, some of them already have decleared they don't continue to develop any more.
(e.g., 外部ﾘﾝｸ:qerozon.jp )

Secondly, because the API key is required to be stored secretly, most of the open-source dedicated browsers will be affected.
There are lots of open-source browsers:
V2C, ギコナビ(Giko-navi), navi2ch, chaika, BathyScaphe, Thousand, JD, rep2, Freeze Owata+1, etc.
They were not able to get the permission of access to the new API duo to the lack of ability to store the key confidentially.

Jim-san, please see this table.
2chｽﾚ:software

Most dedicated browsers may lose access to 2ch.net after 3/3/2015.
Please think twice to introduce the new API!

929: 2015/02/16(月) 20:13:10.87 ID:dWbNb606(1)調 AAS
>>905
Hi Jiｍ
Please read >862-864 about News-Frontier board.

ニュー速Fについての決定事項です
設定の反映お願いします

930(4): 2015/02/16(月) 20:37:55.91 ID:LvZrfdeq(2/2)調 AAS
【2ch専用ブラウザ今回のAPIへの対応一覧】
× Jane (オープンソースは許諾が出ない)
◎ Jane Style (山下がAPI使用許諾の権限)
× Jane View (Style山下と仲が悪く個人情報を渡したくない)
△ Jane Xeno (Style山下と仲が悪く個人情報を渡したくない)
△ Jane Clone (Style山下と仲が悪く個人情報を渡したくない)
× V2C (作者が行方不明＆逆コンパイル可でオープンソースに準じるため)
△ Twintail　(作者ではないが開発を協力している水玉氏が「しおどきかな」と言っている)
× ギコナビ (個人情報渡したくない。本家がBSDライセンスの要件を満たしていない)
× ゾヌ (開発停止)
× かちゅ〜しゃ (開発停止)
× Wakamurasaki (使用許諾を出すことはできませんと通告)
× Andy (使用許諾を出すことはできませんと通告)
× navi2ch (オープンソース→使用許諾を出すことはできませんと通告)
× chaika (オープンソース→使用許諾を出すことはできませんと通告)
× s2ch.net[讃岐メニュー] (ウェブアプリケーション→使用許諾を出すことはできませんと通告)
× iMona (ウェブアプリケーション→使用許諾を出すことはできませんと通告)
× n2ch.net[ぬこ] (ウェブアプリケーション→使用許諾を出すことはできませんと通告)
× read.js (オープンソースは許諾が出ない)
× BathyScaphe (オープンソースは許諾が出ない)
× Thousand (オープンソースは許諾が出ない)
× JD (オープンソースは許諾が出ない)
× rep2 (オープンソースは許諾が出ない)
× Freeze Owata+1 (オープンソースは許諾が出ない)
× 2chMate (ひろゆきに対応していると許諾が出ない)

931: 2015/02/16(月) 20:43:03.19 ID:Q5Lta+Pa(2/2)調 AAS
>>930
oh... terrible than I thought...

932: 2015/02/16(月) 20:54:01.71 ID:rsLbd/tq(2/3)調 AAS
糞デブ
お前と山下の金儲けの為にどれほどの難民をだすつもりだ？

933: 2015/02/16(月) 20:57:35.43 ID:Ie3EY3qT(1)調 AAS
嫌ならやめりゃあいい

934: 2015/02/16(月) 21:10:56.72 ID:yZ+g+FwM(2/2)調 AAS
>>930
English version.

<The Current Status of Main Dedicated Browsers>
[Legend]
Y: Got the permission of access to the new API.
N: Cannot get the permission of access to the new API or announced the end of development.
?: Unknown

Jane: N (An open source browser cannot get the permission)
Jane Style: Y (Yamashita's product)
Jane View: N (The developer won't provide his information)
Jane Xeno: ? (The developer won't provide his information)
Jane Clone: ? (The developer won't provide his information)
V2C: N (The development has stopped for years.Also, V2C is not an native application, but a Java app.)
Twintail: ? (One of the comitter said it's time to quit)
Giko-navi: N (The developer won't provide his information. Also, Giko-navi violates BSD license)
Zonu: N (The development has stopped for years)
Kachu-sya: N (The development has stopped for years)
Wakamurasaki: N (Yamashita rejected this app)
Andy: N (Yamashita rejected this app)
navi2ch: N (Yamashita rejected this app)
chaika: N (Yamashita rejected this app)
s2ch.net: N (Yamashita rejected this app)
iMona: N (Yamashita rejected this app)
n2ch.net: N (Yamashita rejected this app)
read.js: N (An open source browser cannot get the permission)
BathyScaphe: N (An open source browser cannot get the permission)
Thousand: N (An open source browser cannot get the permission)
JD: N (An open source browser cannot get the permission)
rep2: N (An open source browser cannot get the permission)
Freeze Owata+1: N (An open source browser cannot get the permission)
2chMate: N (This app supports Hiroyuki's 2ch)

935: 2015/02/16(月) 21:16:25.72 ID:tv9o8BFT(4/4)調 AAS
More than 20 browsers will be banished by Yamashita. (>>930)
He also makes browser(and it's controversial one),
so I can well believe he contrive to exile all other browsers.

936: [sagesage] 2015/02/16(月) 21:18:47.17 ID:hcg9E0bj(1)調 AAS
Hey, Jim!
I made Test Proxy Service for old 2ch's browser which new api can't use or not permit new api.
This program use Firefox/Chrome and Those browser display 2ch/pink and convert from browser's displaying HTML to dat file.
If you write 2ch/pink, those browser display 2ch/pink and fill the form and post automatically.

Dounload Link:
外部ﾘﾝｸ:www1.axfc.net

Let's try it and report usability!

So, this post has been using this program! :)

937: 2015/02/16(月) 21:19:36.69 ID:CnJhr8J0(1)調 AAS
【悲報】ギコナビ作者が開発終了を宣言「個人情報を使ってまで開発を続けるつもりはありません」
2chｽﾚ:poverty

938: 2015/02/16(月) 22:13:20.25 ID:tP+wVPjp(3/3)調 AAS
おいJim
お前が出てきて話をするか
山下を呼び出すか

どっちでもいいから行動しろ

939: 2015/02/16(月) 22:37:44.53 ID:QsMFWE+7(1)調 AAS
Hi Jim-san

Please allow to continue the development of BathyScaphe!
Because Mac user can not to use JaneStyle or silmiar it.

940(1): 2015/02/16(月) 22:37:57.79 ID:NCbBtZ8A(1)調 AAS
flashとjava禁止は頭おかしいわ

941: 2015/02/16(月) 22:42:45.99 ID:rsLbd/tq(3/3)調 AAS
豚野郎
お前は今回の件についてちゃんと把握してんのか？
専ブラ殆ど死ぬことになるぞ
ＰＣはまだしも携帯やスマホからのアクセス減らしたいのか？

942: 2015/02/16(月) 22:43:13.45 ID:gIFTUwAg(1)調 AAS
jim-san
you are crazy

943(1): 2015/02/16(月) 23:45:43.36 ID:YN2FXVvC(1/2)調 AAS
>>940
Flashは頻繁に脆弱性が見つかるから妥当

944(1): 2015/02/16(月) 23:47:00.91 ID:a32v4wu1(1/2)調 AAS
>>943
んなこといったらJavaも同じだ
さらに言うとWindowsだって同じだ

945(1): 2015/02/16(月) 23:47:59.12 ID:YN2FXVvC(2/2)調 AAS
>>944
うん、まともな反論しようね

946: 2015/02/16(月) 23:53:45.29 ID:a32v4wu1(2/2)調 AAS
>>945
お前Javaのボロボロっぷりしらないの？
Flashとどっちもどっちだぞ

947: 2015/02/17(火) 00:02:52.05 ID:dJV8hivo(1)調 AAS
jimカス出てこいや

948(2): 2015/02/17(火) 00:11:45.11 ID:DQ5RWF1O(1/5)調 AAS
Jimさんが言う通り

専ブラの件に関して問題があるなら
ソフトウェア板に行って山下さんと話をしてください
2ch板:software
このスレでJimさんに文句を言うのは筋違いです

949: 2015/02/17(火) 00:14:13.71 ID:ZvzZRdBM(1/5)調 AAS
>>948
筋違いな理由を理論的に矛盾なく言ってみろ

950(2): 2015/02/17(火) 00:16:36.78 ID:DQ5RWF1O(2/5)調 AAS
Jimさんはもう説明しています

Actually this is the system that Kenmou urged to be built.
実際これは嫌儲が作るよう促したシステムだ

山下さんがいなければ発案した嫌儲へ文句を言ってください
2ch板:poverty

951(1): 2015/02/17(火) 00:16:42.39 ID:VWuzhGnt(1)調 AAS
山下さん曰く

430 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。[sage] 投稿日：2015/02/16(月) 15:00:57.62 ID:3K6ufJEA0 [7/9]
>>429
2chでJimに直接言えばいい
少しは自分の頭で考えろ

さあ、嘘つきはどっちだあるいは両方か

952(1): 2015/02/17(火) 00:18:08.30 ID:BKeGFmHF(1/3)調 AAS
>>951
それのどこが山下なの？ｗ

陰謀厨やばっｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

953: 2015/02/17(火) 00:20:28.61 ID:ZvzZRdBM(2/5)調 AAS
>>950
すげぇ嫌儲って筆頭株主並みの権限があるんだな！
とでも言って欲しいのバカなの？

954: 2015/02/17(火) 00:22:50.64 ID:e/pgGsy1(1)調 AAS
Mac&Linux&iPhone&Android&FeaturePhone users will lose all browser. >>930

955(1): 2015/02/17(火) 00:23:32.04 ID:cgYaeRUz(1)調 AAS
>>950
ええっ？
じゃあ一連のこの騒ぎって嫌儲の奴らのせいなの！？

956: 2015/02/17(火) 00:26:51.43 ID:muBkKyuL(1/2)調 AAS
Jimkasu fuck

957(3): 2015/02/17(火) 00:39:19.06 ID:DQ5RWF1O(3/5)調 AAS
>>955
そうですね
彼らが執拗に騒くからです
そのため2ch.netを全面的に転載禁止を入れたりJimさんはこれまで嫌儲のために努力してきました
今回も嫌儲が促したことです

958(1): 2015/02/17(火) 00:50:43.64 ID:muBkKyuL(2/2)調 AAS
>>957
けんもうが促したソース出してみろよ
jimkasuが曲解して勝手にやった事だろーが

959: 2015/02/17(火) 00:53:05.76 ID:24XhpPeX(1)調 AAS
いくら騒ごうが騒ぐまいが最後に決めるのは Jim

960(1): 2015/02/17(火) 00:55:53.55 ID:ANqYwKwo(1)調 AAS
山下＝ ID:3K6ufJEA0

> 437 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。[sage] 投稿日：2015/02/16(月) 15:04:43.53 ID:3K6ufJEA0
> >>434
> Jimと交渉もせず後から文句を言うような輩だよ
> こっちはJimのお墨付きもらってるわけ、分かる？

961: 2015/02/17(火) 00:56:33.31 ID:BKeGFmHF(2/3)調 AAS
>>958
Fuck off Afikasu.
くたばれ

962: 2015/02/17(火) 00:57:29.40 ID:BKeGFmHF(3/3)調 AAS
>>960
>>952

963: 2015/02/17(火) 00:59:31.88 ID:UqV1AWgF(1)調 AAS
jim は裸の王様　

山下が用意したバカには見えない服を着て喜んでいる

964(2): 2015/02/17(火) 00:59:43.63 ID:ZvzZRdBM(3/5)調 AAS
>>957
お前自分で何言ってるかわかってるの？
仮に嫌儲が促したとして実行犯は嫌儲ではないし、最終的な決断をしたのも嫌儲ではない
これの事実もわからないのに言い訳がましいんだよ

965: 2015/02/17(火) 01:03:10.02 ID:EqsgmpM3(1)調 AAS
>>905
Hello Jim.

I stand for the decision you've made. Some people may complain about it, but please don't feel bad.
Haters gonna hate. They seem to fear that most of the 2ch browsers will cease to exist because
they don't know what's going on. But in the end, most of the browsers will survive if the developers
take the appropriate responses. I'm calling it.

Yamashita does no harm compared to those affiliate matome blogs. In the past few years, tons of them
have been founded. I don't care about them making money from advertising. What I hate is that
whenever I google something, all I see are those articles reprinted from 2ch with annoying "wwwww" suffix.
As you may already know, those strings of "w's" are just like a Japanese version of "lol".

They sometimes even spread false information reprinted from 2ch for advertising revenue, which should
not be tolerated. Can you imagine how annoying it would be if your Google search results were full of
"lololololol" bullshit? Some affiliate matome blogs are seriously messing with Google search results.

Anyway, I think your decision to implement API in 2ch is a huge step in the right direction. Keep going, Jim!

966(1): 2015/02/17(火) 01:07:38.31 ID:DQ5RWF1O(4/5)調 AAS
>>964
今更焦って騒いでも無駄ですアフィカス
２ちゃんねるは転載禁止です

967(1): 2015/02/17(火) 01:09:10.98 ID:ZvzZRdBM(4/5)調 AAS
>>966
反論できなくなったら伝家の宝刀アフィカスってか
お前こそお金もらって火消ししてるんだろ？
いい商売だよな本当に

968(1): 2015/02/17(火) 01:11:46.18 ID:DQ5RWF1O(5/5)調 AAS
>>967
あなたのようなアフィカスの収入は今後途絶えるだろう
これは決定事項です

969: 2015/02/17(火) 01:15:51.66 ID:ZvzZRdBM(5/5)調 AAS
>>968
俺はお前と違ってお金もらって火消ししてるわけじゃないしアフィカスでもないから
お前こそ俺にレスつけるなら反論くらいしろよ
俺を黙らせないと時給でないぞ？

970: 2015/02/17(火) 01:40:37.72 ID:v5tZ/RMR(1)調 AAS
嫌ならやめろっす。

971(1): 2015/02/17(火) 01:56:33.58 ID:gCoTYa5w(1)調 AAS
別にAPIキー配布してどうこうってのはいいんだが、
山下が片っ端からNOをつきつけて、Jane派生しか残ってないのが問題だわ

スマホとかどうするの？
山下はかたっぱしからNOを出してから、自分のところで開発して出すとかして、
シェア独占を目論んでるよ

西村のクローラーとかはスクレイビングで容易に対応してくるだろうし、
ちょっと弊害が大きすぎないかね

972: 2015/02/17(火) 02:01:23.96 ID:1Ez7niyJ(1)調 AAS
>>971
>>948こちらへどうぞ

973: 2015/02/17(火) 02:01:25.41 ID:QzZwU5Xy(1/3)調 AAS
こんな事するほどお金に困ってるなら
もうbbspink
それと2chの中でも利用者の多い板
だけ残して
他は切り捨てた方がいいんじゃないですか

974: 2015/02/17(火) 02:12:20.24 ID:QzZwU5Xy(2/3)調 AAS
正直
2chの事なんてどうでもいいので
2chの問題で
bbspinkのユーザーにまで迷惑が及ぶのは
嫌だなあって思いです

975: 2015/02/17(火) 02:18:58.77 ID:cXkIH79z(1/2)調 AAS
ＪＩＭと山下でクローラ対策考えたんだろう。
それで完成したから、山下がそのＡＰＩを他の開発者に使わせるにあたり。
登録させようと言うわけだ。
そこで、登録するやつしないやつ。
条件が合わないやつ。
いろいろ合否して最終的にいくつ残るか。
ＪＩＭからしたら、これは住民が口を出す問題じゃないと言う事だろ。
山下に協力してもらった手前、ＪＩＭも山下に従うしかない。

976: 2015/02/17(火) 02:24:17.81 ID:EFT8ot6A(1)調 AAS
そんなに嫌なら
浪人でもなんで買ってやれよ
金があるならこんなことしなくて済むんだから

977(1): 2015/02/17(火) 02:26:19.20 ID:QzZwU5Xy(3/3)調 AAS
昔通り
bbspinkだけの運営でやっていけば
クロール対策に頭を悩ませる必要も無くなるのに
2chは類似の掲示板が沢山あるけど
bbspinkだけは代わりがないから
需要を独占できているし

978: 2015/02/17(火) 02:27:09.87 ID:cXkIH79z(2/2)調 AAS
クローラや自動転載がなくなるなら、ちょっと専ブラが少なくなったり。
広告が入るくらいは許容するしかない。
クローラや自動転載に反対してたのは、なんＪも嫌儲もＶＩＰだって同じ。
専門板だって転載禁止ってスレタイや名前欄に書いてある。

979: 2015/02/17(火) 02:52:34.21 ID:9/QGoPRx(1)調 AAS
>>977
現実を見ましょう

980(1): 2015/02/17(火) 02:52:36.15 ID:N1OC1ecZ(1)調 AAS
これが玉座ですって？ここはお墓よ。あなたとあたしの。
国が滅びたのに、王だけ生きてるなんて滑稽だわ。あなたに石は渡さない。あなたはここから出ることもできずに、私と死ぬの！

ーーー今は、ラピュタがなぜ滅びたのかあたしよく分かる。ゴンドアの谷の歌にあるものーーー

　『土に根をおろし、風と共に生きよう。種と共に冬を越え、鳥と共に春をうたおう。』

どんなに恐ろしい武器を持っても、沢山のかわいそうなロボットを操っても、土から離れては生きられないのよ！

981: 2015/02/17(火) 03:09:59.55 ID:KZw9voHA(1)調 AAS
>>980
ほんとこれ

おれら養分見捨てたらしらんでほんまに

982(1): 2015/02/17(火) 04:19:10.71 ID:K1T7AH9A(1/2)調 AAS
2chｽﾚ:win
> 458　View ◆AcQTmXmylo 　[sage]　2015/02/17(火) 02:43:47.53 ID:iJNLr+yX　
> 例のcgiに登録しなかったので放流されたライセンス条項しか見てないですが、あれだと新api対応は無しかなと思ってます。
> RQにも直接聞かないと他のライセンスが存在しうるのかは分かりませんが、どちらかというと、契約云々よりも、個人情報流出以降のgdgdに、もういいかなあ、と。
> それでも掲示板ブラウザに必要なロジックを工夫するのは楽しいので、ここにアクセスできないブラウザになっても開発やめる事はないかなとも思ってます。
> 正規表現、BM法やエイホコラシック法の拡張、cos-sim、diff、インデックス検索と、文字列処理の見本市状態なんですよねJaneView。
> 最近はレーベンシュタイン距離を使ったあいまい検索を研究してます。
> そうなると11年ぶり4度目の宿無しですが、まあ、今後はスクリプトで外部?掲示板対応能力を広げて目指せ気ままな汎用掲示板ブラウザ、でしょうか。
>

（略）

>
> あれから12年。
> JaneViewを使ってくれてるユーザーさんにも、あの頃いっしょにソースを弄った皆さんにも、楽しい遊び場と遊び道具を提供してくれた方々にも、本当に感謝です。
> なにもかもみな懐かしい。

983(1): 2015/02/17(火) 04:44:01.32 ID:p2Ig4U01(1)調 AAS
>>982
はいさようなら
去る者追わず

984: 2015/02/17(火) 04:56:07.49 ID:K1T7AH9A(2/2)調 AAS
> 200　番組の途中ですがアフィサイトへの転載は禁止です　[]　2015/02/17(火) 04:51:54.54 ID:yhbYrqqi0 [8/8]　　
> 要約
> １．(株)ジェーンは開発者に専用ブラウザの修正を要請することが出来る
> ２．要請があった場合、原則として14日以内に対応しなければならない。14日未満を指定した場合はその期間内に行う。
> ３．専ブラ開発や仕様変更は(株)ジェーンの許諾なしには行えない
> ４．専ブラのスレ画面に指定する広告を強制表示する
> ５．広告費の分配は(株)ジェーンが決める
> ６．AHIの許諾は(株)ジェーンが決める

985: 2015/02/17(火) 05:51:23.08 ID:90lqi0HV(1)調 AAS
>>983
×去る者追わず
○去らせようと追った

986: 2015/02/17(火) 07:28:11.74 ID:Fq5EFluA(1)調 AAS
Where is he Mr.Watkins ?
All I can do is only waiting.

987: 2015/02/17(火) 12:59:35.14 ID:FTYd9hiE(1/2)調 AAS
Dear Mr. JIM
I'm supporting.
When not fighting now, there are no futures in 嫌儲.

親愛なるJIMさん
応援しています。
今、戦わなければ嫌儲に未来はありません。

988: 2015/02/17(火) 13:10:36.11 ID:pPzZJN8Z(1)調 AAS
Are you deceived, Jim?
Yamashita announced no specification and no rule last year.
Developers made no agreement with Yamashita, but only requested information about new API.

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